Seriously... Takedowns?

MMAGenius · 03-07-2006, 07:34 PM

Like Thousands of others I was a high-school wrestler, I thought points for takedowns then were lame, for me it was pin to win that's it. Now MMA fights are being decided on takedowns....WHAT!!! If fighters are getting points for takedowns, then great stand-up men need to get points for every sprawl and clinch that prevents the takedown. I understand the judge have to find some hard criteria to judge a fight on, but the way takedowns seem to control the ruling and commentating lately, I have to say I've seen enough..

i.e. PENN vs. St. Pierre... love beating the newest dead horse

dickcheney · 03-07-2006, 07:37 PM

wait...i understand mma people who think takedowns shouldnt scored so high, but you were a wrestler and thought people shouldnt have points for takedowns? you must have sucked

bcm344 · 03-07-2006, 07:40 PM

If the stand-up fighter controls the fight using a sprawl, ala Smith/Coleman, he deserves just as credit as a fighter that is ablke to impose his will and push a fighter around via the takedown.

YDA-WASTE · 03-07-2006, 07:41 PM

i agree totally

Luebbers · 03-07-2006, 07:42 PM

The standup fighter does get credit for takedown defense. In a classic striker vs. grappler matchup, if the striker keeps stuffing takedowns, he gets points for controlling the match. Just like a grappler gets points for controlling the match if he keeps taking the striker down.

Commissar · 03-07-2006, 07:42 PM

Valid point.

So, lets say standup is equal in that fight.

For each takedown St. Pierre got, Penn got up, so thats equal.

Oh, wait, Penn didn't get up from the takedown that last time. So, St. Pierre had one more takedown in that fight than Penn got up from.

So, all other things equal, St. Pierre would still have won.

BearGrounds · 03-07-2006, 07:43 PM

well i wrestled in college and getting a takedown in high school is simple at that level..going for a takedown u risk a knee to the face! and your saying it shouldnt score??

Demogoblin · 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MMAGenius

Like Thousands of others I was a high-school wrestler, I thought points for takedowns then were lame, for me it was pin to win that's it. Now MMA fights are being decided on takedowns....WHAT!!! If fighters are getting points for takedowns, then great stand-up men need to get points for every sprawl and clinch that prevents the takedown.

well the sprawl not to get points but to keep the fight on the feet the supposed striker can in lamens terms "do his thing" or so the striker does not end up on his back where a wrestler can gNp, submit him, lay on him watever.......ufc has gotten to the point where guys with good hands or good strikers are so well rounded ( unlike the old days) where if a wrestler takes them down or even a bjj guy takes them down they cant really do anything with them wat is even worse is they narrowed it down to 5 minute rounds where the guy on the bottom and top down who mite be ahead on points are afraid to do anything in risk of losing the W, paycheck, the belt watever but takedowsn are really there to nuffily the striker and make them place his game because lets face it if u on ur back the whole fight taking shots it doesnt look too good wheter or not those shots are hurting u

higgz · 03-07-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dickcheney

...but you were a wrestler and thought people shouldnt have points for takedowns? you must have sucked

That was my first thought too.

I think the scoring should be more like ADCC where you get points for takedowns, passing guard, submission attempt, etc... But they could factor in a point system for striking as well.

For MMA to go to the next level it will need a hybrid scoring system.

RAVENOUS21 · 03-07-2006, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dickcheney

wait...i understand mma people who think takedowns shouldnt scored so high, but you were a wrestler and thought people shouldnt have points for takedowns? you must have sucked

True that. Its not so much that they're gaining points simply from the takedown itself. The judges award points based on aggression and octagon control, and takedowns are a great display of those. I believe that they also award points for great escapes and the fighters' ability to withstand takedown attempts.