[mizzo's back]

Originally Posted by Scotty B

My god it must be true if Josh Barnett said it I mean he wouldn't lie about a promotion that he had a huge fallout with and holds a huge grudge against.

I'm sure you also believed Millen and Sak when they said Pride wasn't up for sale either..DIPSHIT

What would Josh Barnett gain by trying to trash talk the UFC now? Are you drunk? Josh barnett is going to come out now and say all these bad things about UFC so that he can never fight there or PRIDE ever again? Dummy, he spoke the truth, and he used his knowledge and experience to make some interesting points. More that you and I will ever know. You are a nobody, your name is Scotty B. Who the fuck is Scotty B? Slap yourself idiot.

[mizzo's back]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

Yeah but a slam isnt the same thing as getting your head stepped on. Stomping to me is like eye gouging, it's not wrong cause it's cheap, it's wrong cause it's dangerous and could result in something really gross happening.

Anybody else in Fedors position against Randlemen would've had their neck snapped. Can you admit that?

[Scotty B]

Originally Posted by Krakenn

I've been a longtime fan of MMA. I love anything and everything to do with MMA. I'm not a huge fan of Vale Tudo. I watched the UFC from the very first one, when it was no holds barred. I remember the severe mismatches of one martial artist going aganst a bar-room brawler who was out of his league.

Personally, I see this as being blown way out of proportion. How often do fights end because someone gets shit stomped or knocked out from a soccer kick to the head? Not often. When it does, the fighter that took the beatdown was already in immense trouble to begin with. I don't get a kick out of brutal beatdowns. I enjoy watching 2 well rounded fighters prove why they aren't average "toughmen" and have them be able to fight again in 3 months or less LOL.

I could care less about Soccer Kicks or stomps to the head, they are still allowed to the body in both PRIDE and UFC. I think 99% of the time kicks or stomps to the head are unnecessary when they do occur. They also can lead to career ending injuries. I don't think it's a matter of if. It's a matter of when. Something as infrequently used as Shit Stomps and Soccer Kicks to the bean quite possibly could keep MMA from going 100% mainstream or get it banned when someone does get seriously injured. It's a small price to pay in my opinion.

I also don't believe that it affected the outcome of any of the PRIDE 33 fights one iota. They were in all honesty, some pretty damn exciting fights.
I'd rather see some minor rules and see my favorite fighters make some $'s to support their families, then have a sport where even the best in the world still make pocket change.
The sanctioning committees have the best interest of the fighters in mind. I'm ok with that.

The best in the world are going to be able to get the job done in an exciting fashion regardless..That's who I pay to see.

If folks are that desperate for 100% bloodsport, watch Vale Tudo from a purchased ticket seat, cause you'll never see it on PPV. You'll also never see the world's best either. Cause the $'s aren't there.

p.s. I'm for padded elbows. Less fights will end solely due to cuts and the elbow can still be used as an offensive tool. I'm also for knee's to the body on the ground as well as the head, as long as the shot doesn't come to the back of the head. I've seen someone take an accidental shot to the back of the head , only to be wheel chair bound for the rest of their lives. Scary shit.

p.s.s. Yellow Cards should stay as well.

great post man

[Wilsonator]

Originally Posted by mizzo's back

Is it because your favourite fighter does not use these tools, and therefore you know it would be a disadvatage to him against a fighter who does? This is common with Couture, Liddell, and Ortiz fans.

Is it because you think they are too brutal, and therefore work against mma breaking into the mainstream market? This is common with MMA enthusiasts who really do care for the sport, however have a hard time understanding that this is Mixed Martial Arts, and brutality can be hard to avoid when watching the sport of MMA.

Or is it because its not how the UFC is? Which is common with TUF fans who just really got into mma a year ago give or take.

Lately, I have been reading some insanity here at Sherdog. I'm reading that some people actually do not want soccer kicks or stomps in mma? I hope this is just a real long April Fools joke, because I am having a hard time understanding that somebody could possibly not want to see soccer kicks or stomps ever again? That is ridiculous! There is a reason why PRIDE has been the most exciting mma event for the last 10 years, and this is a huge reason why.

Also the 10 minute round is genius. That really seperates the contenders from the pretenders. If you gas after 5 minutes in PRIDE the fight has a more likelihood of ending in an exciting stoppage, whereas other events that go with the 5 minute rounds are susceptible to having fighters re-up in between each round which can often lead to a boring and stalled fight ala Herring/O'Brien.

And when the hell is everybody going to learn that you cannot judge a MMA fight the same way you do a boxing fight? That is horseshit, and retarded, and the people who claim to be guiding MMA into the right direction (Dana White) should know that, and should be doing more to change that stupidity. MMA fights should be judged as a whole, with a unique scoring system that rewards all fighting styles, EVEN JIU JITSU!!

Some, not all, of you Canadians are funny little asses! MMA is fairly mainstream right now buddy! You are obviously not old enough to remember when the UFC was nearly banned by that prick Senator from Arizona, John McCain! He literally led the crusade to have this "human cockfighting" banned! Now this very prick will be running for president in next year's elections!

Do you honestly think that the UFC would force the issue with soccer kicks and stomps? I started watching from the beginning(giving away my age a little I guess), and I remember the first UFC and not because I went to the video store and rented it 10 years after the fact!

Sounds like you were a little miffed your boy Herring got beat in his UFC debut! Herring isn't that good buddy! If you don't like what I have to say, TOO DAMN BAD, EH!

[Bonanza Andress]

i like soccer kicks but not to the head i dont like stomps either and although u made somewhat a point iabout 10 min round most fights just get really boring they dont have a shorter time to push the pace

[mizzo's back]

Originally Posted by Krakenn

I've been a longtime fan of MMA. I love anything and everything to do with MMA. I'm not a huge fan of Vale Tudo. I watched the UFC from the very first one, when it was no holds barred. I remember the severe mismatches of one martial artist going aganst a bar-room brawler who was out of his league.

Personally, I see this as being blown way out of proportion. How often do fights end because someone gets shit stomped or knocked out from a soccer kick to the head? Not often. When it does, the fighter that took the beatdown was already in immense trouble to begin with. I don't get a kick out of brutal beatdowns. I enjoy watching 2 well rounded fighters prove why they aren't average "toughmen" and have them be able to fight again in 3 months or less LOL.

I could care less about Soccer Kicks or stomps to the head, they are still allowed to the body in both PRIDE and UFC. I think 99% of the time kicks or stomps to the head are unnecessary when they do occur. They also can lead to career ending injuries. I don't think it's a matter of if. It's a matter of when. Something as infrequently used as Shit Stomps and Soccer Kicks to the bean quite possibly could keep MMA from going 100% mainstream or get it banned when someone does get seriously injured. It's a small price to pay in my opinion.

I also don't believe that it affected the outcome of any of the PRIDE 33 fights one iota. They were in all honesty, some pretty damn exciting fights.
I'd rather see some minor rules and see my favorite fighters make some $'s to support their families, then have a sport where even the best in the world still make pocket change.
The sanctioning committees have the best interest of the fighters in mind. I'm ok with that.

The best in the world are going to be able to get the job done in an exciting fashion regardless..That's who I pay to see.

If folks are that desperate for 100% bloodsport, watch Vale Tudo from a purchased ticket seat, cause you'll never see it on PPV. You'll also never see the world's best either. Cause the $'s aren't there.

p.s. I'm for padded elbows. Less fights will end solely due to cuts and the elbow can still be used as an offensive tool. I'm also for knee's to the body on the ground as well as the head, as long as the shot doesn't come to the back of the head. I've seen someone take an accidental shot to the back of the head (similar to the no-accidental shot Frank Shamrock threw on Renzo), only to be wheel chair bound for the rest of their lives. Scary shit.

p.s.s. Yellow Cards should stay as well.

This isn't about you, this is about us. You don't like them, and I do. That is a mixed reaction. This is Mixed Martial Arts. the point of MMA is to learn as MUCH about fighting as you can, and to very well rounded so that you can adjust to any other fighters style. If everybody wanted to just see wrestling, than you go watch wrestling, but if I want to see wrestling and punching than I go watch mma. MMA includes all fighting styles. You can't exclude a fighting style because YOU don't like them.

[mizzo's back]

Originally Posted by Wilsonator

Some, not all, of you Canadians are funny little asses! MMA is fairly mainstream right now buddy! You are obviously not old enough to remember when the UFC was nearly banned by that prick Senator from Arizona, John McCain! He literally led the crusade to have this "human cockfighting" banned! Now this very prick will be running for president in next year's elections!

Do you honestly think that the UFC would force the issue with soccer kicks and stomps? I started watching from the beginning(giving away my age a little I guess), and I remember the first UFC and not because I went to the video store and rented it 10 years after the fact!

Sounds like you were a little miffed your boy Herring got beat in his UFC debut! Herring isn't that good buddy! If you don't like what I have to say, TOO DAMN BAD, EH!

lol the sherdog hillbilly strikes again.

[themiz2003k]

Originally Posted by mizzo's back

Is it because your favourite fighter does not use these tools, and therefore you know it would be a disadvatage to him against a fighter who does? This is common with Couture, Liddell, and Ortiz fans.

Is it because you think they are too brutal, and therefore work against mma breaking into the mainstream market? This is common with MMA enthusiasts who really do care for the sport, however have a hard time understanding that this is Mixed Martial Arts, and brutality can be hard to avoid when watching the sport of MMA.

Or is it because its not how the UFC is? Which is common with TUF fans who just really got into mma a year ago give or take.

Lately, I have been reading some insanity here at Sherdog. I'm reading that some people actually do not want soccer kicks or stomps in mma? I hope this is just a real long April Fools joke, because I am having a hard time understanding that somebody could possibly not want to see soccer kicks or stomps ever again? That is ridiculous! There is a reason why PRIDE has been the most exciting mma event for the last 10 years, and this is a huge reason why.

Also the 10 minute round is genius. That really seperates the contenders from the pretenders. If you gas after 5 minutes in PRIDE the fight has a more likelihood of ending in an exciting stoppage, whereas other events that go with the 5 minute rounds are susceptible to having fighters re-up in between each round which can often lead to a boring and stalled fight ala Herring/O'Brien.

And when the hell is everybody going to learn that you cannot judge a MMA fight the same way you do a boxing fight? That is horseshit, and retarded, and the people who claim to be guiding MMA into the right direction (Dana White) should know that, and should be doing more to change that stupidity. MMA fights should be judged as a whole, with a unique scoring system that rewards all fighting styles, EVEN JIU JITSU!!

LOL dana white said soccer kicks and stomps are unneccesary and not a true skill of mma. I agree with him. Stomping isnt a fighting style and neither is running over to a downed opponent and kicking him in the mush. Jump down there and punch him its pretty simple. Having no soccer kicks or stomps will not hinder anybody even the chutebox guys, and it will help to keep serious injuries out of the sport. Stomping on somebodies face isnt skillful.

[themiz2003k]

the 10 min round isnt genious. No other combat sport has a 10 min round. Its too much to ask for. The match becomes sloppy. its really stupid.

[mizzo's back]

Originally Posted by 1stRnd.KO

and you must be a fan of w. silva and all the other pride guys. you feel that silva cant win a fight on the ground without soccer kicks. me being an mma fan, wants legitamacy, plus its a pussy move, i dont care if it is in other combat sports, get ur ass on the ground and finish it, stop being a pussy whos afraid of getting submitted from the top.

Why do you think the PRIDE guys have a reputation as better fighters be it true or not? Its because they are the guys who fight with the best and most well rounded rules that cater to GREAT fights.