For real this time...

[curtisdotcom]

Originally Posted by hutnugger

Can we seriously stop talking about fighter pay? There are three reasons we should stop talking about it (in no particular order)

1. Capitalism, Supply and Demand, whatever you wanna call it. If the day comes when these guys decide that fighting is not paying the bills, they have every right to quit and go work a 9-5. Imagine for a moment, if there was no minimum wage. Many businesses would try to pay their janitors 11 cents per hour. They would quickly find out that no one wants to do that shit for 11 cents an hour at which point they would continue to offer more money until the jobs were filled. If the UFC offered undercard fighters $50 bucks and a case of Milwaukee's Best, you would see a lot of guys go elsewhere, but they don't, they do that job because that is what they feel it's worth and if that's not the reason they're doing it, that takes us to number 2.....

2. They are doing what they love. I'm not a fighter, I don't claim to be, and although I could probably fuck up 90+ percent of Sherdoggers because I've determined thats how many of you are whiny bitches, I've never trained a day in my life. And although I've never trained in my life, I know for a fact that most of these guys fight cuz they love it. They are getting paid to do what they love. Nobody does data entry because they love it. Nobody hangs drywall cuz they love it. But these guys train and fight cuz that's what they were born to do. Not only do they get to spend all day doing what they love, they paid for it. They aren't greedy, they don't care, so why should you? And if they do care, then they need to remember it's a business. Nobody put a gun to their head and made them sign. Last I checked, there aren't any 17 year olds fighting in the UFC. They are all adults, and if they aren't happy with their contracts, they shouldn't have signed them. I'm not happy I dropped out of college and the best job I can get it helping morons with their cell phone service, but it was my decision and I have to live with it....so do they.

3. IT'S NONE OF OUR FUCKING BUSINESS

You got a few things right.
1. Milwauke's Best is shit beer.
2. There isn't any 17 year old in the UFC

Other than that you made several assumptions. Who's to say that the estimated 16,200 (90% of 18,000) whiney bitches couldn't kick your ass? Some people do menial jobs "cuz" they like it possibly. Could people possibly choose simple jobs to live simple lives?

Usually people complain and discuss figher pay because they believe they should get payed more, so they can do they job that they "love". I don't see any problem with that. You should relax,smoke a joint, drink a coffee, and enjoy the morning.

[BertieWooster]

Originally Posted by hutnugger

Can we seriously stop talking about fighter pay? There are three reasons we should stop talking about it (in no particular order)

In the future you shouldn't participate in threads with fighter pay related discussion to avoid the sort of painful self agonizing that you seem put yourself through about it.

[Demoslasher]

Honestly the only thing that really bugs me about fighter pay threads is that most of them are just Anti UFC bullshit.

Most of the threads are bitching and moaning about how Fighter A makes only 50,000 a fight when fighter B(normally Lesnar now a days) makes 500,000 a fight. As if 50k base plus sponsors is somehow barely enough to pay the bills now a days. Frankly speaking People say they want Fighters payed more but it seems like every time a fighter they don't personally like makes more then their favorite fighter its blasphemy.

That and all you have to do to understand that fighter pay is going up is look at the fighter Pay for Pride 33 (the last real Big show for Pride) where Wanderlei Silva made 400k and their MW champ Hendo only made 20k...everyone else cept Gomi make only 10k and zero bonuses. Back then it was seen as good pay too.

Now a days the average fighter makes 20k if they arnt on the undercard and top billed stars can make over a million a fight if you include bonuses which are huge in the UFC.

[Edgat]

Fighter's pay is a legitimate question. I thought that kind of information was accessible for all american major sports. At one point, any economic activity should have at least minimum transparency. Fight sports have been known for shadowy deals, and in boxing history it hurt the sport.

Fighter's pay in the UFC is really interesting because lots of people here are not interested in only KOs, armbars and fighters interviews. Since the UFC is such a success so far, I'm sure there are lots of things to be learned by discussing how the UFC handles its business. Maybe it can be applied somewhere else ?

Last but not least, we all love MMA and we hope for the sport to grow bigger and bigger. There we want to see the different progresses of our sport: mainstream coverage, better training for the athletes, better production, etc...

No, discussing fighter's pay is really a legitimate question.

[Mur]

Jardine gets amazingly bad money.
He's actually a pretty promoted fighter with some good wins and he gets 8+8k a night?
Thats fucked up.

[Demoslasher]

Originally Posted by Mur

Jardine gets amazingly bad money.
He's actually a pretty promoted fighter with some good wins and he gets 8+8k a night?
Thats fucked up.

he signed a huge contract after TUF 2...sadly thats what happens to alot of Tuffers BUT Dana did give him a huge bonus after he beat Chuck

Jardine has one problem...he is heads or tails...he either kicks ass or gets his ass kicked. He was due for a pay raise if he beat Huston but then he got beat down like a baby daddy on Jerry Springer. After Chuck he faught Wanderlei and had he won I guarantee he would have got a pay raise but again he was made to looked like a ballistic gel dummy during a self defense demonstration by Wanderlei

[rabidkoala84]

Originally Posted by hutnugger

i don't think its a bad post, but you're entitled to your opinion...

i think it's a little insulting to fighters, who are adults, that anonymous people are debating about how much they make, as though they aren't smart enough or in control of their own careers enough to handle that themselves...

as for my statement, it was not to be taken literally as i'm sure the actual number I could take is much lower, although I do doubt more than 18K sherdog users actively train...and if they do, well then super, i'm wrong, my point was that most are whiny pussies...

I can't speak for everyone, but for me personally, it's like police, firefighters, military, ems's (or is that emt's?, I forget), correctional officers, etc. I feel that for the jobs that these guys/gals do, they don't make enough. Same for mixed martial artists- some just don't make enough. Also, it makes me mad that they're better than boxers (flame away if you wanna but boxers don't have to defend subs, clinches, kicks, etc.) and get paid way less. The bigger orgs, UFC in particular, should definitely pay more for fighters on the undercard, IMO. But if they're good enough, they'll get top dollar for their services at some point.

Also, as a side bar, I personally train because my job requires it, but don't think more than half of Sherdoggers do.

[Edgat]

Originally Posted by Mur

Jardine gets amazingly bad money.
He's actually a pretty promoted fighter with some good wins and he gets 8+8k a night?
Thats fucked up.

Dana says that fighters in the UFC benefit from the UFC brand and massive exposure. And there fighters in the UFC can make more money with sponsors than their actual pay. Juggo said in a thread that Al Turk would get 20k or more from sponsorship (and 7k to fight).
Add the official Fight of the night, Ko of the night, Submission of the night, and all the undisclosed money that can be given to a fighter in the lockerroom after the fight, and you understand that fighter's pay in the UFC is 1) more than what the athletic commission publish and 2) not very clear.

[selfmademachine]

while we're at it can we stop talking about teixeira and sabathia? nice free post TS. but the people who want to fight want to know how to actually make money doing it.

my suggestion: go live in a hole, you'll hear no more

I Think Its Interesting To See Who Makes What. Especially When You See A Guy Who Gets Paid Like $20,000 (seth) And A Guy That Got $300,000.what Was His Name Again?