a Question for Machida Fans

[peteyandjia]

He won rounds 1-3.

And all the crying, "intellectualizing" and "strike stats" aren't going to change that fact.

All you need to do to win a Championship decision is win 3 rounds.

And Machida did.

Hence he is still the Champion.

[steveflynn]

Originally Posted by Thy

i dind't hear anyone saying he was robbed.. even though. i consider pick pocketing robbing.. just a mild form.. yea maybe it was no bank heist.. but just maybe.. the machida fandom rained it's power down in the form of pee and clouded peoples judgement to say "hey! shogun didn't win by enough! so machida clearly won even though he didn't.. he doesn't have to dude! he's the champ!"

Yeah, it's extremely perplexing and laughable to claim a fighter won a fight, yet at the same time he didn't win the fight enough to actually win the fight, and this is what excuse makers who play the entire spiel of having to "beat" the champion in order to become the champion have been playing.

[Thy]

Originally Posted by steveflynn

I am pretty sure Shogun had some nagging injuries going into that fight that are unbeknownst to us all as well as Machida, and conveniently the "bone spurs" comment was made at the most opportune time for Machida obvious to take away from Shogun's showing and also to try to validate his poor performance, so there really isn't a lot of weight behind this, let a lone getting outstruck times two.

this guys just throwing whatever he can at u while gaggin on nuts and pee. it's really not worth arguing with someone who isn't trying to validate anything other then machida is a god and he worships him. and all fighters are less then him so they have to be more then just better then machida.

[krightwinger]

Originally Posted by Thy

only wish tito held onto that triangle instead of trying to switch to an armbar cause he had it dude. and it was tight.. tito coulda stayed relevent:p

Yeah then we coulda compared which was worse: Machida getting choked out by Tito or Shogun tapping to Forrest with 15 seconds left in the fight! Oh wait... Machida got out of the triangle and went on to win 30-27 on all judges scorecards! No comparison there!

If you want to compare something, try this: which of Shogun's three previous losses was the worst: tappng to Forrest with 15 seconds left? Being armbarred by Babalu? Or crying like a girl when Old Man Coleman broke his arm?

Hah!

[Vegemite]

Originally Posted by peteyandjia

He won rounds 1-3.

And all the crying, "intellectualizing" and "strike stats" aren't going to change that fact.

All you need to do to win a Championship decision is win 3 rounds.

And Machida did.

Hence he is still the Champion.

A win is a win. As a big shogun fact I have come to terms with that.

Why are people still arguing about Machida Vs Shogun I? The rematch is coming up soon.

[Linkuei]

[quote=steveflynn;36804114]

Originally Posted by Zeicon

LATEST NEWS: One of the three judges admits that he scored the bout incorrectly in favor of Machida and that Shogun was indeed the real winner upon rewatching the fight:

Fighting a restrictive MMA judging system - UFC - Yahoo! Sports




First things first:

- The audience was largely in favor of Machida before the fight. After the decision was announced, the only thing you could hear was boos, boos and more boos.

- Rogan and Goldberg gave the fight to Shogun.




Dana White: "I thought Shogun won"

Link:
Dana White "I thought Shogun won the fight." [video]




MMA journalists, websites:

FightMetric: 49-47 Rua
CompuStrike: Rua outlanded Machida 89-50 in Total Strikes landed including 73 Leg Strikes landed. Rua dominated the fight and did just about everything he needed to do to beat the undefeated Machida, including outlanding Machida in every round, but apparently it wasn't enough for the judges.
Yahoo Sports / Cagewriter: 48-47 Rua
BloodyElbow : 48-47 Rua
USAToday: 48-47 Rua, 49-46 Rua
Savage Science: 49-46 Rua
ESPN / Jake Rossen: 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMA Fanhouse / Michael David Smith: 48-47 Rua
411mania.com: 48-47 Rua
CagePotato: 49-46 Rua
MMATorch : 48-47 Rua
MMAJunkie : 49-46 or 48-47 Rua
MMAMania : 50-45 Rua
5 Ounces of Pain : Rua (no score given)
Fightlinker : Rua (no score given)
MMAConvert: Rua ("Machida was given a gift")
ProMMA.Info: 50-45 Rua
Sherdog:
Jordan Breen -- 48-47 Rua
Brian Knapp -- 48-47 Rua
Mike Fridley -- 50-45 Rua
Sports Illustrated (thanks jamers):
Ben Fowlkes - Rua ("They say you have to clearly beat the champion if you want to take his belt. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua seemed to have done just that at UFC 104 on Saturday night, but the mere fact that UFC light heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida was still conscious at the end was apparently enough for the judges to give him the victory")
Joss Gross: 48-47 Rua
MMARising / Robert Sargeant (thanks TheEnigma): 49-46 Rua
FightLine: 49-46 Rua (thanks karatelarusso)
Loretta Hunt (thanks On Letting Go): Rua ("I am very disappointed in the decision. Very upsetting. The sport owes Mauricio "Shogun" Rua a big apology.")
TATAME (thanks Radamantis): "Maurício “Shogun” Rua was the underdog, but the 2005 Pride GP champion “surprised” everybody with a perfect strategy and performance, dominating three out of five rounds against Lyoto Machida, but losing by unanimous decision (48-47)."



Pro fighters who thought Shogun won:

- Anthony Johnson (post-fight conference)
- Joe Stevenson (post-fight conference)
- Cain Velasquez (post-fight conference)
- Shane Carwin (via Twitter)
"great night of fights. further proof you have to finish as the judges just can't score MMA"
- Denis Kang (via Twitter)
"Shogun got robbed last night IMO."
- Efrain Escudero (via Twitter)
"I'm sorry but shogun won that fight easy"
- Kenny Florian (via Twitter)
"I love Machida but Shogun won that fight!!"
- Joe Lauzon (via Twitter)
"I think Shogun won it."
- Frank Trigg
"he [Shogun] got robbed, was looking 4 don king"
- Roy Nelson
"I just lost $5 on shogun, I am mad, shogun won 4 rounds to 1"
- Joe Doerkson
"Shogun won four rounds out of five ... I am disgusted."
- Brendan Schaub
"Shogun won that fight."
- Jorge Gurgel
"Wow. I was cheering for Machida, but believe Shogun just got robbed... That is the very worst feeling in the world."
- BJ Penn (via Facebook)
"Did Shogun win? yeah."
- Rampage Jackson (via his website)
"Shogun getting robbed like that was pretty cut throat"
- Jon Jones (via Twitter)
"Watched it again this morning and still just saying wow. I guess the next guy might just need to bring a sword"
- Ben Henderson (via Twitter)
"To me that was a bad decision. Rua was more active and the aggressor."
- Kit Cope (via Twitter)
"What?!?! That was the worst robbery I have seen in the UFC ever!!!"
- Jake Shields (via Twitter)
"Even though Shogun should have won that fight!"
- Miguel Torres (via Twitter)
"Shogun is back. Very impressed, Muay Thai 1, Karate 0."
- Cameron Dollar? (via Twitter)
"Man the ufc judging tonight was garbage"
- Jay Silva (via Twitter)
"Ufc 104 was okay rua won the fight but u all know u gotta bit the camp 2 be a champ, but wht about the rampage fight hmmmm"
- Matt Brown (via Twitter)
"Shogun def robbed, but after a 2nd watch it was closer than I thought at first. I gave Machida rd 1 & MAYBE rd 3. Just my two cents..."
- Tiki Ghosn (via Twitter)
"Karate doesn't work against Muay Thai"
- Frank Shamrock (via Twitter)
"Shogun won that fight"
- Antonio Silva
- Vitor Belfort (TATAME.com)
"UFC judges aren’t good to judge. To beat the champion, you only have to win, it doesn’t matter how."
- Rickson Gracie (according to Shogun)
- Randy Couture
"Shogun won 4 rounds."
- Wanderlei Silva (training partner)
"he [Machida] did not do enough to win the fight"
- Rashad Evans (MMA Live)
- Marcus Jones (MMA Live)
- Dave Meltzer
- Tito Ortiz (MMA Connected)
"I gave 4 of 1 rounds to Shogun as well."


Pro fighters who thought Machida won:

- Josh Thomson (via Twitter)
"Watch the dam fight again. Machida won 3rnds an shogun won the last 2."
- Anderson Silva (Machida's best friend)
"Lyoto won every round." (TATAME.com inteview)





Fight Metric stats:


link: Machida-Shogun




CompuStrike stats / conclusion:


link: CompuStrike - Every Strike Counts




Sherdog forum poll:

link: **EVERYONE WHO THINKS SHOGUN WILL BEAT MACHIDA** sign names here




Sherdog.com poll:

link: Sherdog.com: UFC, Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) News, Results, Fighting



Two of the biggest sites in Brazil (polls)

lmao I knew I would find you in here posting your famous have too much time list of why Machida lost post

[moses5885]

still debate on this......... man

[Thy]

Originally Posted by steveflynn

Yeah, it's extremely perplexing and laughable to claim a fighter won a fight, yet at the same time he didn't win the fight enough to actually win the fight, and this is what excuse makers who play the entire spiel of having to "beat" the champion in order to become the champion have been playing.

sad sad game. mma turned so dramatic with this new breed of goon fans. i miss back in the day where every fighter was loved cause they all put alot on the line to bring us good fights.

[markys00]

Originally Posted by Thy

sooo to stay the champ u don't have to win, u just have to not lose. sweet. i'll just eye poke my way to a tko victory by judges and refs failing, and thne backpeddle my way to fame. and being the greatest champ ever.

shogun might not have won by much if he even did which a draw woulda been reasonable and still in favor of machida keeping the belt.. however, most people can't find a reason that clearly shows machida winning. no more then it showing shogun won atleast. a draw would be reasonable, or split dec for shogun. whats done is done and shogun proved he can hang and beat machida on the right day. And mma goes on.. only wish tito held onto that triangle instead of trying to switch to an armbar cause he had it dude. and it was tight.. tito coulda stayed relevent:p

i really think this whole machida/shogun thing has gone overboard, so i wont comment on that. do you train jj? titos triangle wasnt really all that close. seriously watch the fight, look at machidas shoulder. its out before tito gets to sink it in. yea, it looked close, but really, there was nothing for tito to hold on to. yea.

[mclicious189]

Hey guys leg kicks dont win fights.