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Originally Posted by blackthorne

I'm looking at the two guys viewing this thread (LOTH and im_hungry) and I'm wondering why I'm always stuck with the year old white belts viewing my threadz. Did I answer my own question or is it just not worth debating?

Either way I'm glad you two are slumming around. You guys have to contribute though!*

*Just a shout out to all my homies with productive lives, and no time to spare for us Sherdoggers.

I think you basically answered your own question ;)

I'm really not sure what prevents a wrestler from transitioning so they can GnP...

in my mind, if I have control of someone's body and my objective is to win a fight, I either want to position myself to deliver damage while maintaining control, or keep control while doing damage from slams. I guess it's all about fighter mentality and the way they see their skillset being best applied.

[dabix]

first, thanks for bringing a subject than enabled such useful bans !
Then, I guess that one possible answer to the question is that no other part of MMA is so much subject to the lack of damage to the oponnent.

To be honnest, during my youth, all of my very few fights went the same way : Put the guy down and lay there asking him to stop (cause yes I was on top) with the hope he would.
Once I discovered BJJ (20 years later...), my first though was : At least, if I had to go through a fight, I woulds do as I used to, but now, I would have an argument so that he doesn't want the fight to continue.

Please note that I don't discount a good takedown (from a controversial fighter, Rashad made Lambert look like a fool with them, I enjoyed it, and it probably did some damages either physical or mental : Once you get tooled like this, you would probably stop trying, whereas if you are just controlled... you won't).

So my answer is "Damages are very low".
Just saying.

[blackthorne]

Originally Posted by MontrealMauler

It's definitely not as dominant as it once was.....but wrestlers have changed the landscape. Basically if wrestlers are a bad style matchup for you, then you're not a champion or in contention.

Yea but this is no different than anyone else who either doesn't match up well with a jiu jitsu fighter, or doesn't match up well with a striker- same principle. If you're severely lacking in any one area, your weakness will be exploited. I don't think wrestlers changed the landscape- I think the evolution of the sport, with its athletes learning each base for MMA to a greater extent, changed the landscape.

[dabix]

well, was my answer that stupid ? ( <- this is a typical bad move on a forum)

[dabix]

Well, I guess that I can be honored that the TS is still dazed by the truth (not Vera, the other one)

[dabix]

Or was this thread a mere troll trap ?

[blackthorne]

Originally Posted by dabix

Well, I guess that I can be honored that the TS is still dazed by the truth (not Vera, the other one)

Or was this thread a mere troll trap ?

What the hell are you babbling about?

Honestly I don't even know what you're trying to say but I'll take "damages are very low" to mean that wrestling is too neutral in the context of a points system (or any judging criteria for that matter). Yes?

[Suqleg]

Originally Posted by dabix

Or was this thread a mere troll trap ?

Yes and you get props for deftly evading it.

[Mikehergie]

I would estimate 8 out of 10 fights wind up on the ground at some point. To not be a strong wrestler, grappler, etc., would just be foolish. It's part of fighting. People who get upset when two guys are working for position on the ground can go back to watching Kimbo on Youtube and stay the hell away from MMA.

[Snowman1]

My problem isn't with the wrestling it's with the fact that just controling position is scored higher that activity. Someone with an active guard should be winning a decision versus someone with an inactive top position, especially when little or no attempt is made to advance position.