[AAAhmed46]

Yep, basically great for wrasslers.


One of my friends is a wrestler. He can get me down, he can hold me down, he can pass my guard(he's strong)

But he can't do shit after that.



The more well rounded the wrestler, the more exciting the fight.

[Ezra Pound]

Because wrestling is definitely the shittiest, least exciting part of MMA, that's why the rules for UFC are horrible. Anyone who doesn't see the UFC as a very wrestler-centric, version of MMA is retarded or lying. This is why all the Iconn sport rules are needed, imo. Matt Hughes would have never been the champ he is without the rules basically getting tailored to his fighting (wrestling mostly) style.

[Ezra Pound]

Ishida/Melendez was one of the best wrestler v wrestler mma fights ever, don't even compare those lame ass lay n pray fests to it. Also something mercy_ said, just because a fight goes to a decision doesnt mean we saw this great display of skill and technique, some times fights go on because two guys fucking suck and can't finish or don't know how, not just wrestlers. I would say that amounts to 20% of decisions in my own guestimate. Good ppl to get a decision from Karo, or Machida. Bad ppl, Sherk et all. Compare the difference in those 2 and Sherk, youll figure out the answer to the question you pose. It actually points out GLARING HOLES in his and similar fighters supposedly well rounded abilities. He can be effective yes, but is he doing shit like Karo, Diego or Penn hittin with all cylinders firing? Absolutely not. Versatility is the name of the game. Not to totally beat him up, but if you sent Sherk to Japan, now or back when Pride still was around, do you think he'd be as dangerous as he is over here in wrestler's paradise? Well there's your answer.

[quebert]

Originally Posted by vangor

Not allowing knees to grounded opponents in mma has made for all of the boring ground fights. I can't believe they'll outlaw knees, but allow elbows which are far more dangerous becaue they cause the majority of cuts.

elbows are more dangerous? LOL good one, I'd rather bleed like a pig with it's throat slit from an elbow than take knees like Rampage did from Wandy. But that's just me.

Elbows = hurt and can make you bleed pretty badly.
knees = possible brain damage, well maybe not a good possibility, but they definitely do far more damage than any elbow.

cuts aren't dangerous unless you hit an artery which won't happen from elbows to the noggin.

[mt006]

GSP used his wrestling to take Serra down, control the fight, move position and inflict damage

He did the same to Matt Hughes.

Its very interesting that as far as I can remember he didnt do it against Koschek (he out wrestled him but didnt get into dominant positions to finish the fight)

The problem is that other fighters (Evans, Sherk etc) tend to use wrestling to score takedown points but dont try to transition, submit or even put on a good show of trying to pound the other guy out.

They lie in guard till they are stood up and then repeat

Hence Lay on your opponent and pray for the decision

If you dont like grappling and all that comes with it then you need to find a new sport

[jbwhite66]

As previously stated its not a "finishing style" while it can present the oppurtunity to finish somone it doesnt directly translate to a stoppage. If a fighter uses striking to produce a KO or a fighter uses BJJ to get a sub they get credit for their ground game or striking. Since wrestling has no way of finishing someone in MMA its regarded as boring and gets flamed.

[blackthorne]

Originally Posted by Ezra Pound

Ishida/Melendez was one of the best wrestler v wrestler mma fights ever, don't even compare those lame ass lay n pray fests to it. Also something mercy_ said, just because a fight goes to a decision doesnt mean we saw this great display of skill and technique, some times fights go on because two guys fucking suck and can't finish or don't know how, not just wrestlers. I would say that amounts to 20% of decisions in my own guestimate. Good ppl to get a decision from Karo, or Machida. Bad ppl, Sherk et all. Compare the difference in those 2 and Sherk, youll figure out the answer to the question you pose. It actually points out GLARING HOLES in his and similar fighters supposedly well rounded abilities. He can be effective yes, but is he doing shit like Karo, Diego or Penn hittin with all cylinders firing? Absolutely not. Versatility is the name of the game. Not to totally beat him up, but if you sent Sherk to Japan, now or back when Pride still was around, do you think he'd be as dangerous as he is over here in wrestler's paradise? Well there's your answer.

Thank you for completely disregarding the point of the post and then going off on some incorrect tangent about Sherk. And yes, Sherk has fought in Japan, in a ring, and completely dominated in the "anti wrestlers' paradise". His opponent may not have been the best, but he did the same thing he always does. Plenty of "wrestlers" have had success in the ring- Sherk would be no different, especially at LW.

[blackthorne]

I'm looking at the two guys viewing this thread (LOTH and im_hungry) and I'm wondering why I'm always stuck with the year old white belts viewing my threadz. Did I answer my own question or is it just not worth debating?

Either way I'm glad you two are slumming around. You guys have to contribute though!*

*Just a shout out to all my homies with productive lives, and no time to spare for us Sherdoggers.

[YeahBee]

Originally Posted by Ezra Pound

Because wrestling is definitely the shittiest, least exciting part of MMA, that's why the rules for UFC are horrible. Anyone who doesn't see the UFC as a very wrestler-centric, version of MMA is retarded or lying. This is why all the Iconn sport rules are needed, imo. Matt Hughes would have never been the champ he is without the rules basically getting tailored to his fighting (wrestling mostly) style.

You are stupid

If wrestlers were allowed to knee to the head o nthe ground...

And tbh, don't allow stand ups, if the person o nthe bottom can't get up it is his fault, how oftne isn't the person o nthe bootom saved by the ref?

If he had to try harder to get up by himself and not jsut stall and wait for the stand up the wrestlers might get more chacnes to finish or transition into mount or sub

[2x2x2x]

Good thread once again Blackthorne, Ill be back in a little while to add my thoughts.