[Chick]

Just wanted to throw this out there.

I see alot of people bragging about watching UFC for free or hacking it the next day.
Do you realize you are stealing from the fighters?
I mean its one thing to watch K-1 or Some other random ORg with no TV rights in your country, but you shouldn't even do that with free shows.

How can you complain about anything if you don't support your sport.
You gotta buy something. The clothes, DVD's, PPV's the Products that they endorse.
By not buying these things your are essentailly an illegal immigrant in the sport. You have no vote no say. You are not real person. UFC, M-1, Strike FOrce, K_1 , WEC, IFO, Elite XC really don't care about you and the fighters shouldn't either.

I am not saying buy every single one , but don't steal it at least.
I mean really how can you sit on your high horse and preach when you are the # 1 problem.

Think about this do you think if more would have bought PPVs and bought more DVD's and endorse products maybe Pride FC would still be around ?

[Chick]

Ttt

[Titos#6 fan]

Well to be honest i think the only fighters that get PPV % is Chuck, Tito and Randy and maybe Rampage

[WUchi]

if i truly did that, the only thing that would change would be dana's wallet

[Chick]

How do you think these guys get paid then ?

[ViceStan]

First of all Pride lost its revenue because of the Japanese consumers, their tradition and Hippocratic approach to business and their ties with organized crime led to Pride's untimely demise. Now as far as " stealing " ppv's, its an ugly subject. The number of people buying ppv's heavily outweighs the number of people watching them for free. In most cases the market dictates the price of a product, in our case there is an overall monopoly which is the UFC and they dictate the price.

In the end its sort of like the music CD business, artists were getting pissed of because people were downloading their music for free. Statistics showed that artists who released great overall cd's had the highest number of buys meaning when the consumers get their money's worth they pay up. I don't think I'm a thief if I download one song and not pay for the whole cd if I think the rest of the tracks are pure garbage, hence I won't pay for a show when only a small part of it actually appeals to me. It's simple, provide outstanding product and people will pay, put together a 2 hour show with only 20 mins worth of actual entertainment and people will say f you.

[Chick]

Originally Posted by ViceStan

First of all Pride lost its revenue because of the Japanese consumers, their tradition and Hippocratic approach to business and their ties with organized crime led to Pride's untimely demise. Now as far as " stealing " ppv's, its an ugly subject. The number of people buying ppv's heavily outweighs the number of people watching them for free. In most cases the market dictates the price of a product, in our case there is an overall monopoly which is the UFC and they dictate the price.

In the end its sort of like the music CD business, artists were getting pissed of because people were downloading their music for free. Statistics showed that artists who released great overall cd's had the highest number of buys meaning when the consumers get their money's worth they pay up. I don't think I'm a thief if I download one song and not pay for the whole cd if I think the rest of the tracks are pure garbage, hence I won't pay for a show when only a small part of it actually appeals to me. It's simple, provide outstanding product and people will pay, put together a 2 hour show with only 20 mins worth of actual entertainment and people will say f you.

SO that gives you the right to steal because you think its not worth the full price ?
Then you don't buy it don't steal it. How can you say its ok to steal somebody else hard work?
So If sell cookies for too much its ok to steal them to because I am making too much money off other consumers

I am not saying Pride demise was becuase of this , but do you think if more fans worldwide supported them the TV station would have lost more money by taking them off or maybe another TV deal would have gotten done