Official Sherdog P4P Discussion (threads merged)

[darkfluid]

I don't even know why I'm posting here, I must be drunker than I thought. But saying that the Pride HW division was weak, (yes I keep seeing it), is ridiculous. They had the strongest HW division in the world, and the UFC still isn't there yet. Lest we forget that the number 2 HW in pride, along with a gatekeeper and another HW ranking probably about 5th in Pride cleaned out the ENTIRE UFC HW division. The only guy they didn't get a win on was Arlovski, that's wide his fight with Fedor was so important to Rankings, and he was #2 in the world I believe at the time.

Unless Nog and Crocop have a recovery of sorts, the only HWs UFC has going now are...well one, Brock. If Affliction was smart, they would hire Overeem, Sergei, Monson, Werdum and possibly Hunt. And they would get Alexander active again. Except for Overeem these guys are fairly inactive and I think at least 4 out of the 7 would be top ten ranked by just fighting each other. Combine that with Arlovski, Barnett and start building up and comers. It would be back to 8 out 10 HWs on the top 10 being outside the UFC. That might make them some money...maybe.

One thing is certain, the Fedor haters will never like him if he's not in the UFC. They said for years that Tim and Arlovski were superior, that was their only argument, then he beat both of them. Post Crocop, it was the fact that Gonzaga, Vera and Congo were so awesome. But then Herring and Werdum came in and cleaned them out. Now we'll be hearing about Mir and Brock and some up and comers. The only thing that might quiet them for a while is if Nog beats Randy and Brock. But i doubt it. There will be some twisted logic. For now the most outlandish argument to do date is that Pride....the strongest HW division to date was a bunch of cans. I think they had 9 of the top 10 HWs in the world at point, and all of the top 5!!!

[NeverQuit]

War fedor!!!

[LyotoM]

My Facebook Profile has this

1 - Fedor (Dominant Stats, Well Rounded, some freakshow fights)
2 - GSP (HW version of Serra couldnt shock Fedor. Needs to move up to MW)
3 - Anderson (Didnt finish Cote/Leites and needs to prove himself against LHWs imo)
4 - Machida (Dominant Stats, Hasnt lost a round in the UFC)
5 - Torres (Facing better competition now. Great win streak. Weak division)

[rusty107]

Originally Posted by Zeicon

At the very least he'd call him a "useless can".

Eh, make that a "useless fucking can".

And that's the truth.

Of course he'll just continue to blatantly defend Anderson as P4P king as if nothing happened. Transparent PR bullshit.

Actually, saying the best fighter in the world is in your company is good business. Do you ACTUALLY believe that or just hate Dana that much?

[rusty107]

Originally Posted by bobmmaguy

I shall answer all your questions, with questions.

Since their last loss, Anderson, Fedor, Gsp...

Who has faced more fighters?
Who has faced more top 10 fighters?
Who has faced more top 3 fighters?
Who has more wins?
Who has more finishes?
Who has won more championships?
Who has faced more fighters that weigh more then he does?
Who cuts weight?
Who has been Knocked out?
Who has been submitted?

All you UFC fan boys like to think that a hand full of wins under the UFC banner makes you unbeatable and the best ever, yet it's no accomplishment to win 27 in a row. Then you mock the competition, yet never take into account not only has he been winning for so long, but of all people Fedor IS facing top 3 competition for the 3rd time in a row, yet because they are not in the UFC anymore some how that makes them unworthy.

You mock competition, yet during Fedor's run at 27 wins, both Anderson and Gsp have lost to NOT SO GOOD COMPETITION. Remember this is DURING Fedor's win streak, these guys have both been FINISHED by not so good competition. Then you people have the oddasity to talk about Fedor not facing top guys, when your top guys, can't even get half a Fedor win streak, BECAUSE THEY WERE FINISHED BY LESS THEN GOOD COMPETITION...

You know whats bad?

Fedor is the only fighter that can win in 3 minutes, taking little damage, and because someone got a few shots in, or someone landed on top of him, he was losing or lost a step. Even tough the opponent didn't make it out of the first round.
Fedor is so good that people use fights from 9 years ago to try and discredit him.

Sorry but Fedor is the best, because he has been for many years and nobody has even come close to his list of accomplishments. So as long as he doesn't lose, ala, Gsp vs Serra, he's the best. Let's see if Gsp can go the next 20 fights without making a mistake and getting KTFO..

I agree that Fedor is by far the #1P4P but it's a same all these HW "NAMES" don't fight in the UFC. I believe alot of people would be suprised at how talented the UFC HW's actually are! It's not talent depleted the roster is not big in general and that's not even just the UFC, that;s everywhere, for christ sake Overeem is the Strikeforce HW champ. I love Alistar but he would have a hard time getting to Lesnar in the UFC! UFC fan boys, shit I would bet Carwin over AA, Silvia, Cro Cop(yeah big time), shit Barnett wouldn't have an easy time with him either.

[Demonix]

P4P isn't a title given because of your wins/loses record, who you beat in 2004, yadda yadda.

I think it's a floating title given based on your recent performances. And why shouldn't it be? At some point people like Fedor are going to slow down and not fight as much, or might chose to fight lesser opponents.

This is why, at this point, given the over all athletic ability, performance and dominance against top competition, and knowledge of all aspects of MMA, I have to give this title to GSP.

[Bakunin]

I think Fedor should be demoted to #3 after making it clear he doesn't intend to fight the best guys available like GSP and Silva.

[BunglecF]

Originally Posted by Bakunin

I think Fedor should be demoted to #3 after making it clear he doesn't intend to fight the best guys available like GSP and Silva.

Yes, that's exactly how rankings work.

[JackThePimper]

Originally Posted by SherShihTzu

If you look just at records, P4P, Fedor is the best. But if you look at who is a better mixed martial artist - meaning who is the most proficient at various styles of martial arts - then you have to admit, Fedor is the best. But if you just consider how dominant the fighter has been in their most recent fights, well, under those circumstances, you have to admit Fedor is the best. I guess what I'm trying to say is right now, P4P, Fedor is the best.

yeah but, machida is half japanese and half brazilian + he drinks his own piss, that is cool. brock the fuckin rock fucks you up! he is massive and looks cool, so he is above fedor. anderson silva is cool with a great style, he does not fight, avenged not a single loss and fought only cans in his last few fights, but his style is cool. GSP got KO'd and is not a finisher, but he is the king of takedowns and g&p, so what has fedor to offer?

he only can KO or TKO you, he can take you down, he can submit you, he can fuck you up from his back, he can outstrike a striker or submit a grappler, he is able to finish guys who outweighs him like one Torres, but what has he to offer? holy shit, he lost a fight, it was against kohsaka, or wait... hmmm... ok not really, but... hmm....

[lc18]

I got it like this.

Georges St. Pierre
Anderson Silva
Fedor Emelianko
Lyoto Machida

I really think out of all the fighters mentioned above, that GSP has the best resume of people he has beaten. More so than the others. Anderson Silva is ahead of Fedor becuase he is actually moving up in weight to fight others. I might even put him ahead of GSP with a win over Forrest Griffin. Seeing as Forrest is a top guy at LHW. Fedor is great, no doubt about that but the HW field is not as strong as the others although Fedor p4p would do great against anyone in any weight.