Official Sherdog P4P Discussion (threads merged) - Page 7

tdalto · 04-23-2009, 04:08 AM

Not a traditional P4P thread. I'm wondering what it is that Miguel Torres needs to do in order to break that invisible barrier at #4.

I have no gripes with the rankings as long as they have Fedor, GSP, and A Silva in the top 3 in whatever order. You can make a case for all of them. I think Torres is at the right spot at #4. But if he goes in and dominates his next fight against a game Brian Bowles, that might not be enough to move him on the p4p list and it might be the right call based on the other fighters achievements.

So... Beyond beating the best of the bantam weight division, notably where his opponents are strongest more often than not, what does the guy do?

I think he needs that big name fight in order to make that happen and right now in the bantamweight division, I don't know if anyone is out there to serve as that vehicle. The wild card would be Kid Yamamoto of course, but the reality of the situation is he just can't make the kind of money over here that he can in Japan. Curran may have been the man to do it but he looked abysmal in his last fight.

I don't imagine the p4p title meaning a whole hell of a lot for Torres, but I also know that the kid loves to scrap and wants to fight the best. Meaning, he could get bored with fighting people that he's continually a big favorite against.

With that in mind, i see him moving up for that big name. He talked about 145, but he's also talked about going straight to 155. Reasoning being more monetary based than anything else. But if he beats a Faber, or a brown, or even somebody like Frankie Edgar or Clay Guida at 155

The kid makes a case for #1

IOWAfight · 04-23-2009, 04:10 AM

If he can finish Bowles convincingly, he should rise toward the top of the list.

tdalto · 04-23-2009, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by IOWAfight

If he can finish Bowles convincingly, he should rise toward the top of the list.

I don't know if it does though. Beating a Alves or a barnett is more of an achievement to most people than beating bowles

tdalto · 04-23-2009, 04:35 AM

i made the post too long didn't i

censored1906 · 04-23-2009, 04:50 AM

maybe move up and beat Faber or Brown. If he could land a fight with Kid and manage to beat him too, he would surely make top 3 P4P maybe even top 1..

dr_hellno · 04-23-2009, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by censored1906

maybe move up and beat Faber or Brown. If he could land a fight with Kid and manage to beat him too, he would surely make top 3 P4P maybe even top 1..

Bowles ain't gonna do it. He's screwed at his weight class, re: P4P. He needs Faber or Brown or Kid, period.

yougetKTFO · 04-23-2009, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by censored1906

maybe move up and beat Faber or Brown. If he could land a fight with Kid and manage to beat him too, he would surely make top 3 P4P maybe even top 1..

yeah if he sunk kid I'm sure he'd crack top 3. I'd have to see Kid fight a tune up because you never know with all this ring rust and a game Torres.

robbyp · 04-23-2009, 05:11 AM

There is an enormous Sherdog hypocrisy within its rankings. Sherdog claims that the only reason Fedor isn't ranked #1 pound for pound is because of his recent activity.(A fallacy) Then despite saying this, they go ahead and rank BJ Penn #1 at LW.

Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Over the last 3 years(the timeframe Sherdog and Fedor detractors like to use when discussing Fedor's place on the P4P list), BJ Penn has defeated 1 ranked opponent, one less than Fedor. BJ Penn's #1 ranking is still based simply off his victory over Takanori Gomi from 2003. Now using these 3 years as a template, Shinya Aoki has reeled off wins over Hansen, Uno, JZ and Alvarez, all of which were top 10 opponents(according to Sherdog) when Aoki beat them.

And it doesn't matter at all that BJ was once a champion at 170 because only his fights at 155 have any bearing on his LW ranking. BJ Penn only has THREE lightweight fights in the last FIVE years for goodness sakes. Sherdog also can't use a hypothetical "oh well, BJ would destroy Aoki" as an excuse for this hypocrisy because I could do the exact same thing with Fedor in the P4P discussion. Furthermore, according to Sherdog's own criteria, rankings aren't supposed to be based on hypotheticals or "what ifs."

At the very least Sherdog should be consist with its rankings. If BJ Penn is ranked #1 at LW, Fedor absolutely should be ranked #1 P4P. Using Sherdog's own criteria for ranking righters, if Anderson Silva and GSP are going to be ranked over Fedor, then Aoki should be ranked #1 at LW.

And no, I am not saying Aoki should be ranked #1 at LW. I am simply calling Sherdog out on its hypocrisy. I think BJ Penn should be #1 at LW just as I think Fedor should be #1 P4P.

mmalaskan · 04-23-2009, 05:15 AM

BJ beat Sherk, who is the second best lightweight in the world.

Another advantage he has over a few of the fighters you have mentioned is that he didn't get stopped in the first round (like Hansen, Aoki, and Alverez all have), and the only lightweight fight he has ever lost was in his fourth pro fight against Jens.

sgf · 04-23-2009, 05:15 AM

He have to move up a weighclass and start winning fights there. Then he will move up in P4P.