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06-19-2009, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Chosen_One
Noone will ever be as good of a P4P as Fedor, that's for sure.
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I think thats false. Fedor isn't an amazing athlete compared to other fighters. MMA hasn't been popular long enough for the BEST athletes to consider that for a career. A better P4P fighter will come along... not this year but I'd say in the next 10.
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06-19-2009, 06:34 PM
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You can't take it away from Fedor, pound for pound, or otherwise.
Pound for Pound takes everything a fighter does into account, divisional dominance, winning streaks, fights against larger fighters, quality of oppostion and "who would win if they were equal weight."
Fedor takes all of these categories.
The last criteria is pure speculation, but its not hard to argue he'd beat any other divisional king if they had the exact same skill-set with more body weight.
Haters and Dana White say Fedor hasn't fought "top competition recently" - HAH!
When he fought Big Tim and Andrei, they were well regarded fighters and he made them look awful.
Post Fedor, they have been "exposed" as "weak chined" - but even so, they were well regarded AT THE TIME Fedor fought them, and it's not like either one of them landed anything on Fedor anyway.
His p4p status cannot be hurt by those two victories based on the "they weren't great fighters anyway" premise.
Because, - if they indeed weren't great fighters then Fedor preformed EXACTLY HOW HE SHOULD HAVE AS A POUND FOR POUND KING, AGAINST SUP PAR FIGHTERS.
LIGIT POUND FOR POUND KINGS dispatch poor opposition exactly the way Fedor did.
Fedor has beaten the top HW's in the world over the course of his career and has lost to NONE OF THEM. He's beaten the best - all of them except Barnett, who is on his plate ready to be eaten.
Frank Mir and Brock Lesnar have nothing close to the resume or winning streak of Fedor, they are his supposed "main compeition" in the HW ranks. His divisional dominance is obvious.
He has beaten fighters who weigh significatly more than he does, more consistantly than any other fighter in the MMA world. If you want to argue that fact, then fuck off, because your a complete retard.
Fedor is currently on the longest winning streak of any active MMA fighter. Takes that one easy.
I'm not a Fedor nuthugger. He's not even in my top 5 favorite fighters. He's simply, logically, the best fighter out there and there's not a rational arguement to be used against him. Certainly none have come up yet in this thread.
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Last edited by Lakehed; 06-19-2009 at 06:45 PM.
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06-19-2009, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Squarechoke
GSP one dimensional? That's the most hilarious thing I've heard in some time here. You should especially read up on BJJ since GSP is one of the best guard passers in MMA and actually has the best submission win of all the top P4P fighters since no one else there has submitted someone like Matt Hughes.
And Fedor isn't in the same league as Silva and Machida when it comes to striking technique either. He mainly lives on his speed in a slower division and isn't that diverse, which isn't a knock on him since he does very well, so I wouldn't put him ahead of GSP.
I don't really care where you want to put the fighters since P4P lists are utterly useless without set criteria but your assessment of the fighters and the aspects of MMA is pretty bad.
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Look man, GSP is my favorite fighter too - but Fedor easily crushes him in both recent and career accomplishments. Based on the fact that you feel Fedor is "faster than other HW's" you put GSP above him? Thats RETARDED.
ANY LOGICAL CRITERIA FOR JUDGING POUND FOR POUND = FEDOR #1.
There isn't a logical way to argue otherwise, none.
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06-19-2009, 10:05 PM
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i think if gsp crushes alves it'll put him at the top imo. p4p is also about relevance, and activity.
in the past 2 years st pierre has faced far better competition imo. and alves poses more treat than anyone has to fedor in a while. arlovski is good, but with huge flaws and fedor's performance wasn't exactly amazing. i don't think you can say the same for guys like koscheck, alves, and fitch. those three are as tough and dangerous as they come.
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06-19-2009, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Iosephus
i think if gsp crushes alves it'll put him at the top imo. p4p is also about relevance, and activity.
in the past 2 years st pierre has faced far better competition imo. and alves poses more treat than anyone has to fedor in a while. arlovski is good, but with huge flaws and fedor's performance wasn't exactly amazing. i don't think you can say the same for guys like koscheck, alves, and fitch. those three are as tough and dangerous as they come.
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Try telling the 8000 people I argued with for years that said AA was #1 when he was champ. People have been drinking the Dana Kool-Aid for years now.
Lesnar and Mir are just the latest versions of the same tired shit that was going on with AA and Sylvia.
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06-20-2009, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Brut23
I think thats false. Fedor isn't an amazing athlete compared to other fighters. MMA hasn't been popular long enough for the BEST athletes to consider that for a career. A better P4P fighter will come along... not this year but I'd say in the next 10.
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No way. People will talk about Fedor like they talk about Babe Ruth or Muhammed Ali.
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06-20-2009, 02:42 AM
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Lyoto Machida is the #1 P4P fighter.
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* he fights in the most prestigious organization in the world
* he fights the best fighters in the world
* he fights in the deepest division in the world
* he has never lost even so much as a round in the UFC (let alone a fight), and he is the LHW Champion
* he is the most well-rounded fighter today
* he uses a style completely unique from anyone in MMA today
I would place Fedor and A.Silva in 2nd and 3rd (Fedor mars: fights in a weak division, and in a second-rate organization against hand-picked opponents, has a couple of blemishes on his record; last 3 opponents in a row were "cans,") (A.Silva mars: fights in a slightly weaker division, has a couple of old losses to "cans," last few fights sub-par even though he had ample chance to finish).
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06-20-2009, 10:20 AM
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Lyoto Machida is the #1 P4P fighter.
Reasons:
* he fights in the most prestigious organization in the world
So that means every UFC fighter is better then anyone in any organization because of a name brand! Bullshit.
* he fights the best fighters in the world
Yet he has only faced 3 top ten LHWS!
* he fights in the deepest division in the world
Yet he has only faced 3 top ten fighters in that division.
* he has never lost even so much as a round in the UFC (let alone a fight), and he is the LHW Champion
Possibly because he's only faced 3 top fighters!
* he is the most well-rounded fighter today
This is an opinion
* he uses a style completely unique from anyone in MMA today
This is an opinion
Last edited by bobmmaguy; 06-20-2009 at 10:26 AM.
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06-20-2009, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bobmmaguy
Lyoto Machida is the #1 P4P fighter.
Reasons:
* he fights in the most prestigious organization in the world
So that means every UFC fighter is better then anyone in any organization because of a name brand! Bullshit.
* he fights the best fighters in the world
Yet he has only faced 3 top ten LHWS!
* he fights in the deepest division in the world
Yet he has only faced 3 top ten fighters in that division.
* he has never lost even so much as a round in the UFC (let alone a fight), and he is the LHW Champion
Possibly because he's only faced 3 top fighters!
* he is the most well-rounded fighter today
This is an opinion
* he uses a style completely unique from anyone in MMA today
This is an opinion
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Well said. Urine-Karate is not better than Sambo, either - IMO anyway.
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06-23-2009, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Lakehed
Well said. Urine-Karate is not better than Sambo, either - IMO anyway.
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Hey im a big Rampage fan, and also a big Lyoto fan, but i think Rampage is the one ducking Machida, he had the chance to fight for the belt again but didnt instead he is now coaching TUF 10? don't get it, i just watched a interview he done with Inside MMA and he bascially said he hated coaching and he would never do it again!!! lol
Sorry Man Rampage is ducking Machida he's not ready for a fight like that, he would be to aggressive and Machida wants that and would pick him apart.
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