Official Sherdog P4P Discussion (threads merged)

[okilian]

Originally Posted by Arkanjal

What's better....

having 2 unimpressive fights against decent competition...

or going 3 years beating up horrible competition?

Because, before the Sylvia fight, Fedor fans were saying that NOT LOSING kept him in his spot, no matter who he's fighting. But Silva fights decent comp, and is not losing...but people discredit him because of HOW he won

EDIT: I'm not a Fedor hater....I have Silva and Fedor equal right now. both have been extremely dominant against decent competition. Fedor may be slightly ahead by looking good in his last two wins.....but I still don't think he's really fought anybody. AA is as overrated as they come, Sylvia had already been beaten twice recently going into the fight.

Whomever they put infront of fedor, he just walked through them. AA was the only person who's really been able to be very effective vs fedor. That lasted all but a few combinations before he was waking up to doctors hovering over him.

[mauriciogomi2]

Originally Posted by Pirao

Kid hasn't fought in like forever and his skills may have diminished. Luckily we'll see him back in action soon in the FWGP, I can't wait.

basing it off on what we remember of kid. actually

yes. it will be interesting against that greco guy

wonder if ring rust will play a factor at all

[mauriciogomi2]

Originally Posted by m040

Yeah, and you know what? It's stupid. GSP's competition has been so far superior to Fedor's it is not open for debate. Even Anderson's opponents have had average win records a full 20% higher than Fedor's in their last 10 fights.

Ya'll are a bunch of fan boys that like to feel like you're part of some "underground" secret club by rubbing Fedor's balls. He's clearly #3 P4P.

Not necessarily

Nog, Crocop, Arlovski, Tim < Hughes, Fitch, Koscheck, Penn?

Especially Fedor usually fighting big guys, and GSP being the bigger one?

And Fedor didn't lose once technically for about 9 years. never tapped out. GSP has two losses since 2002.

[Squarechoke]

Originally Posted by Zeicon

Fedor is 7-0 against UFC champions. Even GSP with his stellar competition can't match that. In fact, no one in the UFC can match that. Only hughes has more wins against UFC champions but he also has 3 losses to the same so 7-0 is better. And aside from those UFC champions Fedor has many other great wins and still has like twice the wins GSP has and half the losses.

He also didn't lose recently to a Serra-caliber fighter (imagine Fedor tapping to strikes? )

With that said, I have much more respect for GSP than I have for Anderson and he deserves to be #2.

If you're going by someone being a former UFC champion to determine if that fighter is good then your judgement about fighters leaves something to be desired. How high the fighters are ranked at the time of the fight is a much better guideline to how they actually performed at the time, if one is too lazy to look more in-depth.

[Zeicon]

Originally Posted by m040

Wait, if we're judging Fedor by his last 3 years, then how the HELL do you score him #1 P4P? The only way the top 5 ranking makes sense is out of respect for his career-long body of work.

The last three years have been terrible for a supposed #1 P4P fighter.

We're not. But that's what this guy said. "Only the last 3 years matter" which of course I disagree with. Fedor's last two fights are still much much more impressive than Silva's last two. Hell, Fedor submitting a 350 pound giant from the bottom while being bombarded with lunchbox fists is more impressive than Anderson doing nothing for 8 rounds against Cole and Leites.

[Zeicon]

Originally Posted by Squarechoke

If you're going by someone being a former UFC champion to determine if that fighter is good then your judgement about fighters leaves something to be desired. How high the fighters are ranked at the time of the fight is a much better guideline to how they actually performed at the time, if one is too lazy to look more in-depth.

Tim Silvia was ranked #5 (as I recall) and Arlovski was ranked #2 (certain) at the time. Nog was ranked #1 the first time and #2 the second time. I don't remember where Coleman was ranked but Randleman was a definite top 10 having just KO'd Prime CroCop. So yea, pretty impressive, especially considering they all got dominated.

[kata guruma]

disappointing showings? he won both fights with ease. just because he didn't finish either fight doesn't mean shit. his opponents never had an edge, never put him in danger. not once.

[ChrisE.]

I agree with that list

[Zeicon]

Originally Posted by kata guruma

disappointing showings? he won both fights with ease. just because he didn't finish either fight doesn't mean shit. his opponents never had an edge, never put him in danger. not once.

Thales won the second round with the takedown. Even according to Anderson-biased Sherdog staff, Anderson lost the second round to Thales.

Round 2
Leites lands a hard kick to the inside of Silva’s right leg. Leites then drops levels for a single and he completes the takedown. Leities moves to half guard. After some solid leg work, Silva gets back to full guard, where he locks a body triangle on his opponent. Silva lets go and works from a standard-closed guard. Leites briefly stands and then enters the guard of Silva. The champion goes high with his hips and passes the right shoulder of Leites, but he does not attempt a triangle. Silva slips out from the bottom and stands with two minutes left in the stanza. The fighters dance for 30 seconds and the crowd boos. Silva cuts off the cage and backs Leites up to the fence. Silva misses a left-right combination and Leites runs away. Silva tries a head kick and a low kick before the round ends.

Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Silva
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Leites
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Leites

Even among the official judges, Anderson lost round.

What's surprising is that Anderson knew what he had to do in order to win back the crowd after his last disappoiting showing against Cote where he received much criticism. So I was expecting Anderson to come in this time and make a statement. Instead he just dances around for five rounds using almost exclusively leg kicks and every time Thales invites Anderson to the ground, Anderson waits for the fight to be stood back up where he is comfortable. If that's not disappointing perfromance then I don't know what is. Even Dana fucking White said he'd never been that embarrassed by a performance and yet here you are making excuses for it, pretending like it was a "great showing". GTFO. Anderson-Leites attracted more boos than I've heard from a usually behaving Canadian crowd. And guess what? It was justified.

[Zeicon]

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