[Captain_Planet]

Originally Posted by BJJK

I just watched that fight again, and I noticed Joe was breathing really heavy, while Penn was on top of him.

It looked to me Joe was either panicking or gassing...

I saw fear on Joe's face while he was walking towards the ring...I don't blame him I'd be hella scared to be in the ring with a fighter who is a whole tier higher than me.

[LHK_419]

Originally Posted by Captain_Planet

I saw fear on Joe's face while he was walking towards the ring...I don't blame him I'd be hella scared to be in the ring with a fighter who is a whole tier higher than me.

im sorry but your fucking stupid..

white belts should have to wait 3 days before they can post, just like when you buy a gun.

Joe was not scared..he was confident that he was going to go in there and take it to bj in a 5 round war. The fight was over once he was cut, because he realized that he would not be able to go 5 rounds with that..he had to change his gameplan immediately and try to finish penn, which most people know was NOT going to happen.

the cut fucked over his game plan of a 5 round fight

although i think he would have lost pretty soundly either way

[Hard to Tap]

Originally Posted by LHK_419

im sorry but your fucking stupid..

white belts should have to wait 3 days before they can post, just like when you buy a gun.

Joe was not scared..he was confident that he was going to go in there and take it to bj in a 5 round war. The fight was over once he was cut, because he realized that he would not be able to go 5 rounds with that..he had to change his gameplan immediately and try to finish penn, which most people know was NOT going to happen.

the cut fucked over his game plan of a 5 round fight

although i think he would have lost pretty soundly either way

I agree with everything you said except... he looked panicky before the cut. You can see it (IMO) in his eyes. I think you can prepare for a guy like Penn and then it's shocking when you realize how outclassed you are in the cage.
No way did Joe expect to be completely helpless in there.

[LHK_419]

Originally Posted by Hard to Tap

I agree with everything you said except... he looked panicky before the cut. You can see it (IMO) in his eyes. I think you can prepare for a guy like Penn and then it's shocking when you realize how outclassed you are in the cage.
No way did Joe expect to be completely helpless in there.

well..bj penn was ontop of him, thats why he was looking so panicky.

we've seen when joe get beat up pretty badly when hes been on his back, against josh neer. I truly thing that joe knew if he was on his back against bj penn, he would be in some serious trouble. he KNEW that comin in..I give him props for doing what he did on his back before he got mounted, and blood in his eyes like crazy.

[Thorgrim]

i pick sherk to win, he proved his bjj defense againts florian and franca, penn has a better ground game, but not light years ahead of francas.

penn was too tired in the stevenson fight (to fight sherk).

sherk looked like he just got out of the shower after he fought franca

plus penn is too emotional, if plan A doesnt work, he goes downhill. i think sherk will work and work and make bj eats shots during his submission attempts, and he'll gas.

[Googan]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

i pick sherk to win, he proved his bjj defense againts florian and franca, penn has a better ground game, but not light years ahead of francas.

penn was too tired in the stevenson fight (to fight sherk).

sherk looked like he just got out of the shower after he fought franca

plus penn is too emotional, if plan A doesnt work, he goes downhill. i think sherk will work and work and make bj eats shots during his submission attempts, and he'll gas.

You're assuming Sherk can put Penn on his back and keep him there the entire fight?
I think Penn's going to suprise/frustrate Sherk with how well he stuffs his takedowns and then punish him with his hands for the effort. Penn's takedown defense is much better than Florian and Franca's and he's also a much better striker technically than Franca. This is going to help keep Sherk on the outside. Sherk has to jump into his strikes because of his little arms and THEN shoot. For that reason Penn's boxing is going to create a lot of problems for him, not to mention Penn will be practicing his sprawl like never before. And trust this, Penn's takedown defense is better at 155 than it is at 170 - he's quicker, more flexible and he has better balance and control. People need to stop assuming that Sherk is going to put Penn on his back easily. It's going to be very difficult, especially in the earlier rounds.

[glen123]

i just re-watched this fight and wow what a performance by BJ. like some people pointed out he did look exhausted afterwards and i wonder what would have happened if Joe could have lasted a round or two more. i think it's BJ's ability to finish people so quickly that will mask his suspect cardio and despite everyone saying Sherk will last 5 rounds with BJ i just can't see it happening. Sherk has great wrestling but BJ's grappling is amazing and he should be able to pass Sherk's guard pretty easily. BJ has better striking than Sean and will punish him on the feet if Sherk wants to make it a boxing match. the thing is BJ can KO Sherk on the feet, sub or TKO Sherk from the top or sub him from the bottom. the only way i can see Sherk winning is by staying on top and managing to somehow avoid subs for 5 straight rounds which i just can't see happening against a master in BJJ like Penn. i'm calling BJ by armbar in the second round.

[BJJK]

Originally Posted by Googan

You're assuming Sherk can put Penn on his back and keep him there the entire fight?
I think Penn's going to suprise/frustrate Sherk with how well he stuffs his takedowns and then punish him with his hands for the effort. Penn's takedown defense is much better than Florian and Franca's and he's also a much better striker technically than Franca. This is going to help keep Sherk on the outside. Sherk has to jump into his strikes because of his little arms and THEN shoot. For that reason Penn's boxing is going to create a lot of problems for him, not to mention Penn will be practicing his sprawl like never before. And trust this, Penn's takedown defense is better at 155 than it is at 170 - he's quicker, more flexible and he has better balance and control. People need to stop assuming that Sherk is going to put Penn on his back easily. It's going to be very difficult, especially in the earlier rounds.

Sherk is well aware of BJ's TDD, he mentioned it a lot while commenting on this fight.
He also said Penn has very quick and heavy hands, so I think the stand up with be a factor in this fight.

Penn will win the stand up easily, tagging Sherk; Sherk will get frustrated as hell and try taking down BJ.

BJ will then allow the fight on the ground, and submit Sherk off of his back.

[Googan]

Originally Posted by BJJK

BJ will then allow the fight on the ground, and submit Sherk off of his back.

I doubt BJ would allow Sherk to take top position on him. He'd much rather be on top or standing than on bottom. He won't just let Sherk take him down without resisting..

[BJJK]

Originally Posted by Googan

I doubt BJ would allow Sherk to take top position on him. He'd much rather be on top or standing than on bottom. He won't just let Sherk take him down without resisting..

Yea I agree, we could be watching a repeat of Hughes/Penn 2 with the take down attempt from Sherk.