[Kimjo]

Originally Posted by krelianx

Randy is, I think, the greatest fighter in MMA history at this point. What he did when he came back and regained the HW title against Sylvia was historical, to say the least. But again, it is ridiculous how much people overlook its only been two victories in the HW division that has put him on the upper echelon. Nog has been beating top competition for years, consistently. I'm not sure Couture deserves this high praise, insofar as HW rankings is concerned.

"not so sure"

Randy dont deserve to be ranked world wide as a hw before he have had more fights. He had a lucky swing vs Big Tim, sure. But 9 out of 10 times Tim would beat randy. And Gonzaga is the most overrated fighter of all times. Put him against Kimbo and he will lose.

Had Randy fought vs and won against AA and Werdum he would easly been top 5, maybe top 3 but this will never happen.

[numb3rs]

Originally Posted by Holmes1330

Lol i knew i was in the minority. Chucks career is better than Pages and is thought as the greatest LHW by most yet Page beat him worse than what Fedor did to Nog. I guess they are all stupid. What if Fedor loses to Tim then what. As for who Fedor can still fight how about Sergei, Barnett, AA, Werdum and you know the entire top ten HW list since he has only beat two and one of them CC is not even on many lists anymore. Most of the fighters Fedor fights are tailor made for him including Timmy. Strikers with bad sub defense.

are you fucking serious? 5 seconds of checking out fedor on fight finder and anyone can see

Big Nog
Coleman
Linland
Randleman
Herring
Fujita
Sobral
Arona

since when are those guys strikers with bad sub defense?

[Darkeonz]

i love nog! but ricco beat his ass and somehow the decision still went in nog's favor which is complete bullshit

[Hinch]

Originally Posted by Darkeonz

i love nog! but ricco beat his ass and somehow the decision still went in nog's favor which is complete bullshit

Every career has its controversial decision. Just like Fedor x Arona. Or Hendo x a fuckload of people according to Sherdog.

He somewhat vindicated it by beating Sylvia. Something Ricco failed to do in his prime.

[sellout007]

Originally Posted by krelianx

I think we disagree on the basis of language. I don't mean to say Randy is the best P4P fighter in MMA history, or even HW right now. Not at all. I am even reluctant in his ability as a HW. Now, to the conrete issues:

Sakuraba did lose to Igor, but it is quite pointless to say it is because he fought a 90 min war with Royce. That pressuposes that if he hadn't, the result would have been different, something I am not ready to assume. We know what we've got, and that is his loss.


As for Vitor, he's done nothing. It is similar to Frank's situation, who really hasn't beat anyone worth mentioning since forever. I do not think Vitor is a great fighter, by today's standards. Nonetheless, it is true that back when he was decimating unexperienced folks at the early UFC's, he was one of the better rounded fighters around. Now, I have said my ranking of Randy is not based on skill, but on trans-generational accomplishment. He has maintained himself as a top fighter since pretty much the inception of the sport. He has regained a HW title in his mid 40's. And he has overcome underdog status an amazing number of times.

I think we agree. Couture is NOT the 'best' HW in history, or even now, or ever. Couture is, I think, the biggest legend, simply on the basis of historical repetition. I developed this point throughout my earlier post as well. Cheers mate.

Then I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say about Couture. o)

Fair enough on Sakuraba. Although I am confident that a fresh Sakuraba would have beaten Igor. I know you watched that fight, and to think that his previous fight had nothing to do with the outcome is a bit naive.

I agree, at the time Vitor was the shite back then and at the time it counted for something. And I agree that Randy has spanned the test of time. But even so, I don't think that gives him any title except for Legend status, which in the same sense of Sakuraba.

[TheBigGame]

I think this more should show testiment to how insanely godly fedor is.

i mean he beat nog twice. that's like... wtf...

that's like say if gsp beat hughes twice or something. i mean how insane would that be.

[FC008]

Nog Is # 2 All Time Hw

[slicingeyeballs]

Originally Posted by DearyLeary

Nog was Fedor before Fedor.

or Fedor is Nog after Fedor...

and yes, Nog is THE man.

[krelianx]

Originally Posted by southsideSTi

Take Randy's tongue out of your ass... the man is 16-8, has been knocked out, submitted and TKO'd in his career.

Nog is 31-4-1, never being submitted, never being KO'd and has held both Pride and UFC HW titles.

Nog > Randy, open your eyes and stop being biased. Just for the simple facts that Nog's record is better, he's held belts in 2 different orgs and has never been knocked out, should put him WELL ahead of Randy on the rankings.

#2 behind Fedor actually, with Barnett right behind them... Tim Sylvia a close 4th with Randy MAYBE #5th

You're an imbecile. Read, think, then post.

[krelianx]

Originally Posted by sellout007

Then I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say about Couture. o)

Fair enough on Sakuraba. Although I am confident that a fresh Sakuraba would have beaten Igor. I know you watched that fight, and to think that his previous fight had nothing to do with the outcome is a bit naive.

I agree, at the time Vitor was the shite back then and at the time it counted for something. And I agree that Randy has spanned the test of time. But even so, I don't think that gives him any title except for Legend status, which in the same sense of Sakuraba.

Hahaha, fair enough

With Randy it is quite simple really: you have great fighters come and go. You have rising stars. They run their course and that's it. The fact that Couture is still beating top competition at HW, and regained the title, at his mid 40's. The fact that he's been coming back, time and time again to prove himself since the inception of the sport. And to think he has beaten down so many fighters, from all the different MMA generations... its really amazing to me.

If I had to make a P4P list of the best fighters in MMA history, then I would probably say Pierre is the best. Nog is the most proven HW in MMA history. Penn, Anderson, KID...

On the Sakuraba thing- I never said the 90 min war had no effect. But i'm not ready to say Saku would have won if he had not fought that before.