New Scoring System Needed

Bootlegger · 07-03-2007, 11:30 AM

I know this is far from an original idea- the thought that Commissions need to adopt an mma scoring system rather than reverting to the one used in boxing. The 10 point must system works better in boxing b/c there are more rounds, so each individual round does not mean quite as much.

While people such as Joe Rogan have mentioned completely revamping the current system I think that we can make the most of the one in place for the time being by making some alterations.

Most importantly, i believe that there should be GREATER VARIATION in the points awarded. For example, when there is relatively minimal action in a round (see Serra Lytle, Cote Smith, etc) it should be a 10-10 round. In all reasonableness, neither fighter did enough to garner a victory in many of these types of rounds.
Similarlly, i believe fighters should be awarded 10-8 rounds more frequently. A LnP round should not earn you the same amount of points that a dominate round in which a fighter has another dazed, in trouble, or close to a sub.

These factors are all neglected by the current system in place. I believe that the scoring system should more accurately reflect the true events of the fight. This way there are less likely to be upsets.

Many will point to Pride's system of scoring which is better, i agree, but im recommending making the most of our current system

anthro_emesis · 07-03-2007, 11:33 AM

I agree something has to change. I say bring back overtime, and only judge the OT round.

Bootlegger · 07-03-2007, 11:39 AM

knickerz729 · 07-03-2007, 11:43 AM

sudden death round

dc007 · 07-03-2007, 11:45 AM

I agree. The biggest problem is over scoring of takedowns and top control.
Both should be scored to the fighter's advantage but it seems to carry too much weight and not enough is scored for a great BJJ guy going for sub after sub on the bottom.

The 10 point must has to go. You get fights like Diaz/Diego that are razor close with Diaz doing all the damage and he loses 30-27 because Diego controlled the top game.

The judges really need to be educated on the sport as well.

edit- maybe they should give points for doing something right. 2 points for TD, 2 points for a sub attempt, 3 point so for a knock down, etc.

Bootlegger · 07-03-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dc007

I agree. The biggest problem is over scoring of takedowns and top control.
Both should be scored to the fighter's advantage but it seems to carry too much weight and not enough is scored for a great BJJ guy going for sub after sub on the bottom.

The 10 point must has to go. You get fights like Diaz/Diego that are razor close with Diaz doing all the damage and he loses 30-27 because Diego controlled the top game.

The judges really need to be educated on the sport as well.

Do you guys really think its a judges lack of edcuation. I mean i've only been watching mma for 2-3 yrs and i clearly understand most of, if not all of, what goes on on the ground. How can judges who do this for a living genuinely not understand an active/rubber guard vs. a LnP. I find that hard to beleive. But your right it seems as though they don't, b/c the guy on top gets the nod more time than not, regardless of the situation.

its puzzling

another example is BJ vs. GSP as was just posted in another thread. BJ did the most damage, and prob won the fight, but the fight was scored correctly under our current system

SeattleFightFan · 07-03-2007, 11:51 AM

NSAC admitting they need to do something different because the current implementation is wrong will happen about the same time Bush admits they need to do something different because the current implementation is wrong.

DeathNTaxes · 07-03-2007, 11:52 AM

I was thinking that why not have the refs in the Octagon not only watch for the safety of the fighters but also score the grappling like in a submission tournament. 4 for mount 4 for back with hooks, 2 for a take down, 2 for a reversal, 3 for passing guard (the guard passing for points would promote action). It'd be easy for the ref to have one hand for each fighter (he would wear distinguishing wrist bands) and give points. You use this in conjunction with a modified 10 point must system for striking so that all striking and groundwork would be weighted equally and use these scores to determine the round winner and by what margin they win by.

badblood2k · 07-03-2007, 11:54 AM

yeah stupid score system favor GNP

Bootlegger · 07-03-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathNTaxes

I was thinking that why not have the refs in the Octagon not only watch for the safety of the fighters but also score the grappling like in a submission tournament. 4 for mount 4 for back with hooks, 2 for a take down, 2 for a reversal, 3 for passing guard (the guard passing for points would promote action). It'd be easy for the ref to have one hand for each fighter (he would wear distinguishing wrist bands) and give points. You use this in conjunction with a modified 10 point must system for striking so that all striking and groundwork would be weighted equally and use these scores to determine the round winner and by what margin they win by.

i remember that question was posed to Big John (not sure where, maybe on inside the UFC with Rogan, but not sure) and he said he would be uncomfortable with that as he has his hands full with watching for hte fighters safety. I think one job is enough for these guys, esp b/c many of them can't even do that well