[Psybeerian]

There are a lot of idiots posting on here lately but for every retarded white belt comment I see at least one hallowed "vet" bashing newcomers for no other reason than they just signed up.

Get off your high horse and can I get a mop to cleanup all this nostalgia in aisle 4?

The sport is exploding and you can't realy convince me you'd rather be d/l one fight at a time from some dude in Asia over seeing any big fight or PPV at the local bar or at home and renting/buying a DVD of any fight you want. The past is great because its gone and now you can reminisce and ignore the huge PITA it was at the time.

[Reddbull]

Originally Posted by Psybeerian

There are a lot of idiots posting on here lately but for every retarded white belt comment I see at least one hallowed "vet" bashing newcomers for no other reason than they just signed up.

Get off your high horse and can I get a mop to cleanup all this nostalgia in aisle 4?

The sport is exploding and you can't realy convince me you'd rather be d/l one fight at a time from some dude in Asia over seeing any big fight or PPV at the local bar or at home and renting/buying a DVD of any fight you want. The past is great because its gone and now you can reminisce and ignore the huge PITA it was at the time.

thank you

[lilduvessa]

Wow. That is one inflated ego.

[elcliffo]

Seek ye the old paths my brethren

[cpdtpa]

Everyone should re-read the TS's post and imagine it in an old man's voice.

"When I was your age, the guys on the forums were really tough. Those were the good 'ol days"

I enjoyed your post, old timer. Beleive it or not, I apreciate the old days and often wish I was there. But for the past 2 years, I have been emersing myself into a new sport that I discovered and I can't get enough of it. My friends who watch MMA with me think I'm an MMA snob already, partly because for a long time I bought into the crap I read on this forum. Now that I'm maturing a little as a fan, I'm trying not to let to noobs get under my skin to much and just appreciate that MMA is so readily available.

[Summoner10]

This has to be one of the worst threads I've read in a long time. And full of lies; let me begin;

1) not true. This forum has always been filled with shithead opinions with no basis or reasoning. Take a gander back using internet archive databases and you'll see. Hell you'l leven find threads in 02/03 with people talking about "how this place has changed".

Pride downloads were not hard to find, not at all. First peer2peer mma tracker site i ever heard of was in 2001 and many of the smaller orgs had their own websites (paltry sites, but sites they did have) and forums. Plus file/tape trading was very common place on almost all MMA forums. If you really wanted to see an event, you just had to try alittle harder than you do now.

2) not true either. I'd bet money that the amount of researching mma fans to just idiots who stumbled on it is the same its always been. The quality of posts has not fallen, just the amount of posters has risen so much, it just seems like its worse than it was as far as percentages go.

3) not true either. People like Silverwolf or Kabuki or whoever are the extreme exception. If you recall back you'd remember all sorts of stupid halfbrained advice being tossed out by supposed people who "train" yet the stuff they say is 1 stupid 2 dangerous.

"BJJ vs. Karate?" or "Does TKD work in MMA?"

Those exact threads still exist and pop up to this very day.

wrestlers doubted on here? wtf? kickboxers being an original group drawn to MMA? Thats a complete fallacy. Wrestling took over MMA long before good kickboxers came into it. Remember the negative term "extreme wrestling" given to the UFC in particular because it was being taken over by wrestlers. It was until the early 2000's that kickboxers started to became top fighters and technical striking being incorporated more and more.

and lastly on this point, ADCC has never had a big following on any MMA forum. I dare you to take the average MMA/NHB fan of any era and sit him down for just a half hour to watch a random ADCC competition and see if he doesnt scream out in boredom/pain. It is for a very select few.

4) pro fighters did used to psot more, this is in fact 100% true. But they posted here because the sport was so much smaller and their days so much LESS filled with things. In the day, it was train eat sleep and family. No media obligations, no commercials to do and no real public appearances to make outside of the random training seminar at some camp. A lot of fighters dont have time to be bothered with us anymore, nto a bad thing, they're just legitimate stars now and have very busy schedules. Plus, its much easier to interact and respond to a few dozen people years ago than a few hundred like right now.

In the end, growth for the sport is something we all wanted when it was struggling to get off its feet. I was genuinely excited about the creation of the show, but the sudden crazyness of TUFer domination on these forums kept me away for a long time. The effect was immediate and for many of us pretty shitty. I still feel as though Dana White did more for his own company and product than he did for MMA as a whole, but it is exciting to start to see some cohesiveness, I suppose, and we are getting the fights we always wanted, even if many of the stars from the MMA Cold War era are mere shadows of their former selves. And after years of trying to convince people around me for years that MMA was the greatest sport ever invented, only to be ignored or rebuked, it's pretty weird to go to my local and not be able to find a seat to watch the latest PPV. Bozo fans are a factor in any sport, but they used to occupy a much smaller percentage of MMA fandom.

I don't want to whine that myself or other veteran fans aren't being appreciated for their knowledge and loyalty from the beginning, but it stings when we see the boards so overflowing with opinions whose stupidity and ignorance would have been so obvious even just a few years ago. The fact that a search on Youtube for 'UFC' yields 10 plus pages of kids in tapout shorts rough-houing in their backyards gives you an idea of how disproportionate the representation for MMA really is; like the moniker K1 in Japan, modern fans see the current popularity of the UFC as the be all and end all of mixed martial arts. The history and development of this product is completely lost on the new generation, and sadly, they will never know what they've been missing.

these two paragraphs show where your real heart is. You think because you made a few thousand posts on an internet site that you are some how owed something, when in fact you are owed nothing.

What MMA was/is to you was something that helped you feel superior. You show this by refering to people less educated as you as "bozo fans" when in fact the reason you get to see these dream fights and this "cohesiveness" is because of those bozo fans. Someone is allowed to be as much of an MMA fan as they damn well see fit. If they want dive in and become hella hardcore and know everything, awesome for them. IF they just want to sit back on a saturday night and watch a UFC PPV or watch some UFC unleashed's they taped on tivo, who are you to bemoan them? In every sport you have different degrees of fans. Its people like you who give MMA and MMA a bad name, not the new fans.

[SnakeEyes]

Originally Posted by WUchi

i think his real gripe is when new fans come here and spout their mouth unapologetically with uninformed stupidity (pride fighters exposed, etc.) and don't get any backlash from it because so many other new fans believe it or don't understand the truth, history or have any respect.

and i agree.

Wuchi has it. To be honest, even though most of you are flaming me you're not the people Im talking about and I'm not even offended. Redbull especially is the kind of fan I like, the kind of guy that got into it and saw the worth in going back and seeing the beginning. It's exactly the kind of fight fan I was; I never claimed to have been watching it at UFC 1, and I honestly believe 99% of the people who claim that are liars. My gripe isn't about time on Sherdog its about genuine effort to understand how far MMA has come. Most of the TUFers have no idea and are too lazy to try. The eat up everything Zuffa feeds them and don't ask questions, and when people who know better TRY to educate them they cop an attitude.

Theres a personal sense of irony for me in even suggesting Im a vet, when that word was well established when I first got posting. 13 years isn't that long of a time for a sport but a fuck of a lot has happened since. Don't get me wrong, I love the sport right now, the fighters are better, they make more money and I get to see them all the time, but some of you guys are wrong to think it wasn't worth being a fan back then. The post was definately long winded but thats kind of the point of a "lament", but I was hoping to drive home a sense of appreciation for the die-hard fans who kept watching this shit and literally stopped it from dying outright. Dana white hasn't liked admitting this, but he made his product ont he old UFC brand, and really it was one of many around at the time, even the states. It was fan loyalty to the brand that made it worth re-investing in, not TUFers. I'm not calling people "Johnny-come-latelys", and I'm calling them fairweather fans who don't really care.

[SnakeEyes]

Originally Posted by Summoner10

This has to be one of the worst threads I've read in a long time. And full of lies; let me begin;

1) not true. This forum has always been filled with shithead opinions with no basis or reasoning. Take a gander back using internet archive databases and you'll see. Hell you'l leven find threads in 02/03 with people talking about "how this place has changed".

Pride downloads were not hard to find, not at all. First peer2peer mma tracker site i ever heard of was in 2001 and many of the smaller orgs had their own websites (paltry sites, but sites they did have) and forums. Plus file/tape trading was very common place on almost all MMA forums. If you really wanted to see an event, you just had to try alittle harder than you do now.

2) not true either. I'd bet money that the amount of researching mma fans to just idiots who stumbled on it is the same its always been. The quality of posts has not fallen, just the amount of posters has risen so much, it just seems like its worse than it was as far as percentages go.

3) not true either. People like Silverwolf or Kabuki or whoever are the extreme exception. If you recall back you'd remember all sorts of stupid halfbrained advice being tossed out by supposed people who "train" yet the stuff they say is 1 stupid 2 dangerous.

Those exact threads still exist and pop up to this very day.

wrestlers doubted on here? wtf? kickboxers being an original group drawn to MMA? Thats a complete fallacy. Wrestling took over MMA long before good kickboxers came into it. Remember the negative term "extreme wrestling" given to the UFC in particular because it was being taken over by wrestlers. It was until the early 2000's that kickboxers started to became top fighters and technical striking being incorporated more and more.

and lastly on this point, ADCC has never had a big following on any MMA forum. I dare you to take the average MMA/NHB fan of any era and sit him down for just a half hour to watch a random ADCC competition and see if he doesnt scream out in boredom/pain. It is for a very select few.

4) pro fighters did used to psot more, this is in fact 100% true. But they posted here because the sport was so much smaller and their days so much LESS filled with things. In the day, it was train eat sleep and family. No media obligations, no commercials to do and no real public appearances to make outside of the random training seminar at some camp. A lot of fighters dont have time to be bothered with us anymore, nto a bad thing, they're just legitimate stars now and have very busy schedules. Plus, its much easier to interact and respond to a few dozen people years ago than a few hundred like right now.




these two paragraphs show where your real heart is. You think because you made a few thousand posts on an internet site that you are some how owed something, when in fact you are owed nothing.

What MMA was/is to you was something that helped you feel superior. You show this by refering to people less educated as you as "bozo fans" when in fact the reason you get to see these dream fights and this "cohesiveness" is because of those bozo fans. Someone is allowed to be as much of an MMA fan as they damn well see fit. If they want dive in and become hella hardcore and know everything, awesome for them. IF they just want to sit back on a saturday night and watch a UFC PPV or watch some UFC unleashed's they taped on tivo, who are you to bemoan them? In every sport you have different degrees of fans. Its people like you who give MMA and MMA a bad name, not the new fans.

I don't know what to tell you.Your interpretations are wrong and everything you tried to coutner is bullshit. Non-UFC MMA WAS hard to find, you're totally fucking dumb on that one. Torrents have made it a million times easier to watch, this is just the history of the internet, here. Also, I already told you all there were vets when I joined, Silverwolf type guys, guys who knew their shit, were much more plentiful back then. Wrestlers were doubted as soon as Coleman started losing to guys like Smith, and most of the posters here actually trained. The bottom line on this one is I was here you weren't. You can't argue with me you don't even know. I'm especially amused at your trying to call me a post whore when you have more posts than me in one year than I do in 5. Idiot.

[Champski]

Everyone likes to reminisce about something or another. But MMA is where it is today not (only) because of you, but probably moreso because of the average fan who has never heard of sherdog.

[MCscratchNsniff]

I see where you are coming from kind of, but now that MMA is so popular and every store carries PRIDE Legacy sets and UFC box sets, somebody who barely started watching TUF a year or 2 ago can be as knowledgeable of the sport as someone who has been watching since forever. I didn't get back into the sport until UFC 49, and I easily caught up on what I missed in a matter of weeks. I dunno what answer you were expecting, just thought I'd add that in.