Collegiate Wresting finished in MMA? Time for Greco?

Boss · 05:59 PM

With the recent losses of both Matt Hughes and Sean Sherk to knees during takedown attempts does that only leave freestyle and greco roman wrestling?

The problem with going with double or single legs is it leaves you open to knees. With Greco Roman or Freestyle which is more upperbody throwing and better suited to the cage also, when both men are in the clinch and up against the cage ala Randy Couture.

It seems that strikers are getting wise to takedowns and using knees, see Hughes vs. Alves, Sherk vs. Franca (however Sean has an iron chin, but he ate many knees), Sherk vs. Penn and Coleman vs. Williams.

GSP still uses great double legs, however he's extremely strong and fast. Something that Hughe's seems to be losing as he gets older.

Will Greco Roman and Freestyle replace Collegiate Wrestling as the wrestling style of choice for MMA?

xXNastyXx · 06-07-2008, 05:43 PM

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Boss · 06-07-2008, 05:58 PM

Yes, I'm very fond of them.

me>you · 06-07-2008, 06:01 PM

retarded thread, absolutely retarded.

Keosawa · 06-07-2008, 06:04 PM

There are still a million good pro fighters with a base in collegiate, or scholastic, wrestling. I agree that greco is possibly a better style for MMA, but collegiate wrestling will still be employed.

Just look at the divisions of Sherk and Hughes, the two guys you mentioned. Where did Fitch, Koscheck, Maynard, Griffin, and Edgar all originate from? Guys like Diego and even GSP employ primarily a scholastic style.

It seems to me that the guys who struggle to translate scholastic wrestling to MMA are older fighters who don't have the quick first step to effectively double-leg opponents. Hughes is a step slower now and while that wouldn't hurt a greco guy, it hurts him and makes him succeptable to getting kneed in the face. Plus, neither Sherk or Hughes has the reach or punching power to take the focus away from their shot, which is why they couldn't take down their last opponents.

Boss · 06-07-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Keosawa

There are still a million good pro fighters with a base in collegiate, or scholastic, wrestling. I agree that greco is possibly a better style for MMA, but collegiate wrestling will still be employed.

Just look at the divisions of Sherk and Hughes, the two guys you mentioned. Where did Fitch, Koscheck, Maynard, Griffin, and Edgar all originate from? Guys like Diego and even GSP employ primarily a scholastic style.

It seems to me that the guys who struggle to translate scholastic wrestling to MMA are older fighters who don't have the quick first step to effectively double-leg opponents. Hughes is a step slower now and while that wouldn't hurt a greco guy, it hurts him and makes him succeptable to getting kneed in the face. Plus, neither Sherk or Hughes has the reach or punching power to take the focus away from their shot, which is why they couldn't take down their last opponents.

Good point. GSP really uses his strikes to set up his takedowns. Hughe's lacks that ability.

I think a lot of situations where guy's are up against the cage is where you can really use Greco, ala Randy vs. Gonzaga.

Kaelis · 06-07-2008, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keosawa

There are still a million good pro fighters with a base in collegiate, or scholastic, wrestling. I agree that greco is possibly a better style for MMA, but collegiate wrestling will still be employed.

Just look at the divisions of Sherk and Hughes, the two guys you mentioned. Where did Fitch, Koscheck, Maynard, Griffin, and Edgar all originate from? Guys like Diego and even GSP employ primarily a scholastic style.

It seems to me that the guys who struggle to translate scholastic wrestling to MMA are older fighters who don't have the quick first step to effectively double-leg opponents. Hughes is a step slower now and while that wouldn't hurt a greco guy, it hurts him and makes him succeptable to getting kneed in the face. Plus, neither Sherk or Hughes has the reach or punching power to take the focus away from their shot, which is why they couldn't take down their last opponents.

I thought GSP trained with the Canadian Olympic team, So that would make him a freestyle wrestler.

Boss · 06-07-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaelis

I thought GSP trained with the Canadian Olympic team, So that would make him a freestyle wrestler.

True, but he really uses more double legs, which are collegiate.

However, when he goes to upper body throws which are normally Greco or freestyle he uses Judo throws.

Iosephus · 06-07-2008, 06:15 PM

worst thread ive seen in a while. congratulations

schico23 · 06-07-2008, 06:39 PM

Wrestling will never go away! the days of a 1 dimensional wrestler are gone but everyone already knew that. Wrestlers now need to be able to strike and mix up their shots ala GSP. I don't know if hughes threw one strike the whole fight, so of course Alves was just waiting with that knee, it was just a matter of time.