"Main events lately are terrible!" Well... what would you do? - Page 2

capone17067 · 12-07-2009, 10:07 AM

Somtimes the worst looking cards turn out the great! All we can do is hope.

capone17067 · 12-07-2009, 10:07 AM

Somtimes the worst looking cards turn out the great! All we can do is hope.

EgonSpengler · 12-07-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazepunk

Montreal Mauler, don't make a main event with Forrest and Tito? I don't know about you, but those are two of the most marketable names in the game, your major must not be in Business. Also, they couldn't sign those awesome Dream fighters because of contracts and partnership between dream and strikeforce.

To your second post I see no problem with the talent levels in which you bring up. I know some fighters aren't nearly as good as the top 10's of each division, but how do we learn about up and coming fighters without throwing them on a card with top dogs.

I'd rather have more fights, even if some of them were b/c level fighters, than less fights every couple months waiting for mma around every corner again. Fuck that. I want more god damn fights, I wanna be able to be exposed to every one in the top 30-40 of each weight division. There are a lot of fans who agree, that's why people buy these cards on a monthly basis.

I understand how sick it is to have a top 10 fighter go against another top 10 fighter, but you can't deny the excitement of a top 15 guy like hazelett arm raping a newbie or a retarded ass brawl between A crazed up past his prime exciting fighter like Baroni and a kid who got fucking thrown into the deep end of mma and still hangs in there. For someone with 14,000 posts I figured you would have more care to see all these fighter. Guess you're just posting about 10 ten fighters most the time.

I have to say I kind of agree with you. While the over saturation of MMA cards can make for lesser events, I also want to see as much MMA as possible, so its a bit of a toss up - and for the record this this weekends PPV is a fucking great card, with three very interesting, relevant bouts that will all shake up their perspective divisions and answer big questions about the talent of all 6 fighters involved.

Lazepunk*** · 12-07-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EgonSpengler

I have to say I kind of agree with you. While the over saturation of MMA cards can make for lesser events, I also want to see as much MMA as possible, so its a bit of a toss up - and for the record this this weekends PPV is a fucking great card, with three very interesting, relevant bouts that will all shake up their perspective divisions and answer big questions about the talent of all 6 fighters involved.

Plus, it keeps Fitch working. Paul Bentello is underrated as hell and is always gonna have an exciting fight. He was supposed to have a barn burner with Todd duffee to open the night up exciting for newer fans. Now they got a classic striker vs grappler with the replacement of Struve though. 107 is gonna be good.

Lazepunk*** · 12-07-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by capone17067

Somtimes the worst looking cards turn out the great! All we can do is hope.

I've seen free UFN's and Tuf Finales rival the best any organization has to offer. Is it because those fighters are the best in the world? Fuck no, it's because of exciting matchmaking between to evenly matched(most times) fighters

Fahrenheit1221 · 12-07-2009, 10:13 AM

I know this sounds stupid but I honestly believe I could do Joe Silva's job. Sure, there is a lot of drama and it's not easy telling fighters they've been cut or aren't going to be fighting or what not but my favorite aspect of MMA is the dynamics behind match-making.

Lazepunk*** · 12-07-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fahrenheit1221

I know this sounds stupid but I honestly believe I could do Joe Silva's job. Sure, there is a lot of drama and it's not easy telling fighters they've been cut or aren't going to be fighting or what not but my favorite aspect of MMA is the dynamics behind match-making.

I think I could too, not because Joe Silva does a bad job, quite the opposite. I just think I could do as good of a job. A lot of his fights make themselves sometimes. The hardest part is matchmaking the middle tier guys accordingly and keeping out bias.

MontrealMauler · 12-07-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazepunk

Montreal Mauler, don't make a main event with Forrest and Tito? I don't know about you, but those are two of the most marketable names in the game, your major must not be in Business.

Ironic because my degree IS from a top business school and have owned profitable buisnesses.

The fact that Forrest and Tito are "marketable" is you buying the line Dana is feeding you. People are interested in them if they are involved in a big fight, which the two of them together isn't.

If they are so marketable why did they only draw 360 to 375 K PPV's? Don't try to rationalize those numbers to try to make them look good because they're not.

Source: UFC 104, 106 PPV Buyrate Updates : MMAPayout.com: The Business of MMA

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Also, they couldn't sign those awesome Dream fighters because of contracts and partnership between dream and strikeforce.

UFC is the supposed Juggernaut with deep pockets but they're really very stingy. They can get any of those guys if they go for them. They literally let Mousasi slip through their fingers.

I can understand letting go of Henderson because of the money involved but guys like Mousasi, Zaromskis, etc....are CHEAP relative to how much money the UFC makes.

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To your second post I see no problem with the talent levels in which you bring up. I know some fighters aren't nearly as good as the top 10's of each division, but how do we learn about up and coming fighters without throwing them on a card with top dogs.

Follow local shows. It's the local shows that need to do a better job of putting their product on the internet for us to follow. How hard/expensive is it to web cast an event? I've paid like 10-20 bucks to watch smaller shows online and would do it again.

UFC main card should ONLY be big names. Once upon a time just having fought in the UFC meant something. You were a bad ass motherfucker. Now in the era of Rolli Delgados getting a spot on the main event, it's lost all it's meaning.

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I'd rather have more fights, even if some of them were b/c level fighters, than less fights every couple months waiting for mma around every corner again. Fuck that. I want more god damn fights, I wanna be able to be exposed to every one in the top 30-40 of each weight division. There are a lot of fans who agree, that's why people buy these cards on a monthly basis.

When I say less cards, I don't mean once every six months. The article on the front page of Sherdog is saying UFC and Strikeforce are planning 20 shows EACH in 2010....not counting WEC, DREAM, etc...

American oversaturation has killed a lot of sub culture phenomenon we love (albeit not permanently) by turning into a fad. Skateboarding, Breakdancing, Video games (the death of Atari and the dark ages that followed) all that stuff died after blowing up.

MMA is blowing up in the same now....if you dilute a product too much it loses its initial appeal and value.

I don't know how many events are ideal because you'd have to logistically analyze who's available for what show but I do know that 2010 will show us that having 100+ MMA events is probably not a good idea.

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I understand how sick it is to have a top 10 fighter go against another top 10 fighter, but you can't deny the excitement of a top 15 guy like hazelett arm raping a newbie or a retarded ass brawl between A crazed up past his prime exciting fighter like Baroni and a kid who got fucking thrown into the deep end of mma and still hangs in there.

I don't give a flying fuck about rankings or belts. I do care about seeing/paying for the best fighters. If a guy who is inexperienced in MMA but has a valid reason to claim he's one of the world's best then I want to see him. Example? Damien Maia.

However we shouldn't have to pay to see guys develop who are way too far out of the circle of best fighters in the world. We are literally paying to see guys learn on the job. Would you pay for a guy to paint your car who has only painted a few cars in his life and then pay him the same thing you would a pro who has done it for years?

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For someone with 14,000 posts I figured you would have more care to see all these fighter. Guess you're just posting about 10 ten fighters most the time.

Don't be an idiot.

Uncle Eddie · 12-07-2009, 10:35 AM

There isn't a whole lot they can do better, but the main events and cards are lacking in comparison to this time last year. I'd really like them to introduce a cruiserweight division (206-225) I think this would provide a new home for a lot of really good guys that struggle with the weight disadvantage with bigger HWs. Couture, Nogeuira, Crocop, or Kimbo would at least have a chance to be a marketable star in a division that would become stacked immediately. I'd also like for them to bring over Feather and Bantam weight title fights or the whole divisions in general. Then instead of WEC events have more free events on Spike TV under the UFC banner. A lot of those WEC guy's value is being underrated when you put in on free tv on Vs. under the WEC name, especially considering all of the talent and how exciting the fights usually are. I think this would provide at lot more leeway for the UFC to shuffle titles fights around and stack cards better. The could be doing Couture/Nog as TUF Coaches for a new Cruiserwieght title, and I'm sure people would be more excited for than that then Tito/Chuck III.