Lyoto Machida On Rashad Evans: "I see some flaws in his game."

[TeaTree**]

Originally Posted by muzik

if rashad is still champ, achida will expose them

That's a big if....I think Machida will be fighting Rampage.

[pakimahi]

Originally Posted by Iron Hand

Lyoto probably wont beat Machida, but maybe he will beat Thiago.

hehe I think he probably already has..

[The Reed]

Originally Posted by inetwarrior

Sam Greco, Vernom White, Sam Hoger, David Heath are not even in the top30 LHW rankings

Well thats your opinion, but weather they're top fighters now or not is irrelevant. Sam Greco is a good kickboxer who outside of the Machida fight is undefeated in MMA and weighs 50 pounds more than Machida. Vernon White is always a dangerous fight for anyone losing record or not, Sam Hoger was in shape then and a good fighter, David Heath was undefeated and a very good fighter.

Kaz and soko even though i like them are far from great and so is Stephan Bonnar. Barely top15

Soko was easily top 15 at the time, some say top 10 and some could even argue that he was top 5. Same with Nakamura but to a much lesser extent. Bonnar has only been stopped once and that was by Machida himself while his only other losses are to the current and former champion.

Than you have the Rich Franklin fight wich was more than 5 years ago. While we are at it Rich isnt a the top10 LHW yet.

But he was a veteran of 13+ fights at the time and undefeated, while it was Machidas 3rd career fight. Thats a pretty impressive win.

Bj Penn well he is a top 155!! pound fighter not a LHW and even against him he couldnt win by domination or finish him..

Kinda says alot about Penn though doesn't it? That one of the worlds top Lightheavyweights couldn't dominate him. I mean seriously if Machida couldn't who could?

Tito Ortiz hmm not top10 and who cares if he arguably beat evans wich he did imo, because i think rashad is overrated.

Right, so because YOU think Rashad is overrated beating Rashad isn't worthy of a top 10 place?

Of course you still haven't explained how Wanderlei was top 5 and Tito isn't. Is that because you don't think Kieth Jardine is overrated?

Machida has to beat a top5 fighter than he deserves it. Rampage does deserve it more though as for now IMO.

When was the last time Rampage beat one of your top 5 fighters? I'll give you Dan Henderson but which top 5 fighter did he beat to get that title? Marvin Eastman is anything but top 5.

I dont hate on machida because i know he is very skilled and top3 LHW but he hasnt beat anyone in the recent to deserve a titlteshot over rampage.

You could argue that Tito is a bigger win than Wanderlei because Tito actually has a win over Wanderlei but whatever.

Bonnar: good fighter but more like a gate keeper
Franklin: Beat him in 2003
Penn: beating a LW does make you LHW #1 contender
Greco: whatever
White: 6 fights under .500
Hoger: losing record in the UFC
Heath: losing record in the UFC
Nakamura: losing record in the UFC
Sokodju: losing record in the UFC
Ortiz: top 10 LHW at the time

Bonnar: Only time he's been finished, only other losses were to the champion and former champion.
Franklin: KO'd him before it was cool.
Penn: More of a test to how talented Penn is.
Greco: Much bigger fighter, more experience in the ring and only MMA loss to Machida.
White: Very underrated and dangerous fighter, proof that records mean very little in MMA.
Hoger: Still a good fighter.
Heath: Was undefeated in the UFC and MMA at the time.
Nakamura: 1st of two fights in the UFC.
Sokoudjou: 1st of three fights in the UFC.
Ortiz: Yes.

[kphizzle]

machida does have skills which is why i understand the reason hardcore mma fans like him but right now thats not what sells tickets or pay per views ufc wants knock outs and submissions they want action and machida doesnt give them that he needs a big victory to get to that next level and the thiago fight isnt as easy of a cake walk as everyone thinks

[Godzilla3232]

All respect to Wandy, but he's not even top 10 anymore. Beating Tito was just as impressive as beating Wandy today, and Machida has a much larger win streak against good opponents. If Rampage deserves a title shot after 1 fight against Wandy, then Machida DEFINITELY deserves one after beating Hogar, Heath, Nak, Soko, Tito, and Thiago.

[Obsidian]

Originally Posted by ncmmarookie

Another jab at Rashad from MaCheetah.

What was his quote on Evans/Griffin?
"I believe Forrest has stronger points than Rashad".
How did that work for ya buddy?

BTW there are holes in his, yours and every fighters game.

Holes in Machida's game:
Letting the judges decide the outcome.
Can't punch through a wet paper bag with scissors in his hands.

Yeah, I think we will see a repeat of Forrest/Rashad to be honest. Machida simply doesn't have the power to hurt Rashad. And in a 5rd fight at some point Machida is going to end up on his back and from there its not going to be fun for him. And unlike Ortiz Rashad is fast and elusive enough that Machida wont be able to sit back, dart in and out and turn him into a punching bag. Rashad is very hard to get a solid hit on. He rarely ever takes any real damage. He is also more patient than anyone Machida has ever fought, Rashad doesn't get frustrated.

[pittelp]

He sees flaws in everyone's game.

[Godzilla3232]

Originally Posted by Obsidian

Yeah, I think we will see a repeat of Forrest/Rashad to be honest. Machida simply doesn't have the power to hurt Rashad. And in a 5rd fight at some point Machida is going to end up on his back and from there its not going to be fun for him. And unlike Ortiz Rashad is fast and elusive enough that Machida wont be able to sit back, dart in and out and turn him into a punching bag. Rashad is very hard to get a solid hit on. He rarely ever takes any real damage. He is also more patient than anyone Machida has ever fought, Rashad doesn't get frustrated.

Well said, I think Rashad is the toughest style match-up for Machida. A lot of people would complain about the potential for that fight to become boring, but I'd really like to see how it plays out.

[7th]

they should give Chuck an easy win then let Chuck and Machida fight for a shot

[inetwarrior]

Originally Posted by The Reed

Kinda says alot about Penn though doesn't it? That one of the worlds top Lightheavyweights couldn't dominate him. I mean seriously if Machida couldn't who could?

So you think rampage, wand or chuck for that matter wouldnt dominate and finish and overweight penn? oh please. its because machida has no finishing power.