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Old 12-26-2007, 03:45 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Why Machida is NOT Over-Rated

I know there are a lot of people who think Machida is a great fighter.
However, I have seen more threads on how he is going to lose or how he is over-rated; I'm positive this is far from consensus and a lot of people are probably at the Machida war train station thinking of buying a ticket.

Here are 3 reasons to jump aboard.

A Decision Does NOT Mean You Failed
There's a prejudice against decision wins and it goes something like: "If fighter A wins by decision, then he wasn't good enough to finish the fight like the best fighters." The line of reasoning continues, " you put the fight into the hands of the judges where anything can happen." Thats great accept winning a decision implies certain things, many of which make you a more dangerous fighter.

1.) A decision win implies you were not submitted, knocked out, or Out-wrestled. In fact, more often then not, it implies you out controlled your opponent in more of those situations. You took away what your opponent does well, and out performed him to get the decision. A win in the decision column implies a degree of talent and resilience.
2.) A decision win implies that you went 3- 5 rounds and won. This may seem inconsequential to people who have never trained mma or wrestled, however more experienced fans know you have to be prepared to go the distance. It's both a mental "never quit" attitude and a degree of athletic ability. Fighters who can consistently go 3-5 rounds are demonstrating great athleticism.

Winning the close competitive fight says a lot about a fighter.

Machida Has Fought Great Competitors

First of all, we should accept the fact he has fought 11 fights and won 11 times. 3 of which were in the UFC, 1 of those was against Nakamura. There was a time when Nakamura was not considered a can, but that seems like a long time ago. The fact remains he is a winner. A quick look at some of the names: BJ Penn, Rich Franklin, and Stephen Bonnar. Say what you want, but you're only going to sound like an asshole if you think a man who won 11 fights is a fluke, especially when you add those names to the resume. BJ Penn is an amazing fighter and is still on top of many peoples P4P list. Rich Franklin can't beat Anderson Silva so he is exposed as a loser ? Everyone on here thinks Anderson Silva is good because he beat Rich Franklin, so lets not lose perspective. Stephen Bonnar was a TUF 1 veteran who fought an insane fight with Forrest. Jardine and Forrest went on to beat Liddell and Shogun Rua, respectively. Maybe talent is harder to evaluate then we thought.

Machida has the names on his resume and the numbers. 11- 0

He's an Athletic and Intelligent Fighter.

He's a game planner. When you read his interviews, he is always very calculated about what he says and he is willing to utilize "gadget techniques." He borrows freely from wrestling, judo, karate, and aikido. On top of this, he always comes to his fights in great shape. I've never seen this guy show up looking unhealthy, hes got a great physique and just looks like hes ready to fight for an hour. Again, some of this is demonstrated in his decision wins, he takes away the advantages of his opponent and wins a close fight.



Machida over-rated ? How about Under-rated.
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He's a good fighter....but he's not on the same calibur of someone like Rampage or Wandy unless he beats someone like Rampage or Wandy. Having a lot of wins is one thing....having wins over championship rank fighters is another.
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he's a decent contender but Sokudju will knock him out
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Machida is over rated. Not being able to finish fights shows he is to scared to take risk. The best fighters in the world take risk. Machida is over rated!
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Machida is over rated. Not being able to finish fights shows he is to scared to take risk. The best fighters in the world take risk. Machida is over rated!
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I respect the fact that Machida is undefeated, but trying to sell me on him beating Penn,and Franklin is not going to work. BJ is a natural Lightweght fighter,and Franklin is a Middleweight. There is nothing else to say about that. Out of his 11 victories 9 or less have come against LHW's. Only two of which are considered worthy opponents(Nakamura,and Bonnar). I believe he has an opportunity to prove himself against Sokoudjou, but I for one think he has bitten off more than he can chew!
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Machida wins fights.
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He's a good fighter....but he's not on the same calibur of someone like Rampage or Wandy unless he beats someone like Rampage or Wandy. Having a lot of wins is one thing....having wins over championship rank fighters is another.
Who else is on that caliber? Wandy or Rampage? No one here is even clear yet how well Wand will do in the UFC. I love the implicit mma math argument you are suggesting in your statement. Rampage isn't on wandy's level because he lost to Wand and shogun.. oh wait but he came to the UFC and beat Chuck / Hendo. Oh but shogun lost to forrest, so maybe he isnt on their level either. Level arent clear yet, and some evidence is in the past years upsets.

The problem is the ufc clearly doesnt equal pride. The orgs had different competitive environments that make it unclear how well someone will do. So far in UFC machida is 3-0, and hasn't lost his streak yet.
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I respect the fact that Machida is undefeated, but trying to sell me on him beating Penn,and Franklin is not going to work. BJ is a natural Lightweght fighter,and Franklin is a Middleweight. There is nothing else to say about that. Out of his 11 victories 9 or less have come against LHW's. Only two of which are considered worthy opponents(Nakamura,and Bonnar). I believe he has an opportunity to prove himself against Sokoudjou, but I for one think he has bitten off more than he can chew!
I agree he has a chance for "proving" himself. But sokoudjou is just as low on the experience pole as anyone else. Again, MMA math arguments are notoriously poor and sometimes names you beat are more indicative of being overlooked or mistakes.

I was actually trying to sell you on his number of decision wins. Which i believe are better indicators of ability then a couple of quick knockouts.
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