[OneFate]

I'd like to see Leben/Swick next if he get's past Santiago.

[sdbounceshot]

joe son via KO

[omega145]

Good matchup, glad to see Santiago finally getting a fight that we will be able to watch.
Santiago is more technical in his standup than Leben and is better on the ground, Santiago by decision.
BTW, I dont think Leben should have to win to get a rematch against Swick.

[oldschoolnewb]

Leben has too much pride. He could have beaten Silva by GnP, but never in a standup fight. Hopefully, he will learn from this mistake. I think he should take a little time off, but I'm sure the beating he took is staring him in the face every morning and he feels like he needs to get back on the horse. He's young, and I still think he'll be a champion some day when he's done making the dumb mistakes that a lot of young fighters make.

[Plissken]

Good fight for Leben to try and get back in the game and test his hopefully new standup strategy. Santiago could make a name for himself with a win, but the odds are certainly against him.

[juggo]

Leben will take this... I know a lot of people all of a sudden see Leben as a shitty fighter just b/c of his loss to Silva (overreactions are common here). But he's top 15 or so in the world at 185. Unless Santiago is better than his record/experience indicates, Leben will take care of business.

I would have preferred for the UFC to get him back in action against a more seasoned opponent. It's as if they're trying to rebuild him up all over again.

[JTMook]

Originally Posted by juggo

Leben will take this... I know a lot of people all of a sudden see Leben as a shitty fighter just b/c of his loss to Silva (overreactions are common here). But he's top 15 or so in the world at 185. Unless Santiago is better than his record/experience indicates, Leben will take care of business.

I would have preferred for the UFC to get him back in action against a more seasoned opponent. It's as if they're trying to rebuild him up all over again.

Leben is not a great fighter, what is he good at? He is aggressive but his standup is sloppy,his punches are slow and weak, his wrestling is decent and submissions are decent at best.His Defense...?? What defense? eating punches is his defense. If he didn't have a great chin he would not even be in the UFC. Also all his fights are boring, name a Leben fight that was exciting.

As for Santiago the only fight I've seen of his was against Joey Villasenor. That was pretty much
just a wrestling match, neither did any damage to each other. So if Villasenor couldn't do anything to Santiago, what is Leben gonna do?

[juggo]

Originally Posted by JTMook

Leben is not a great fighter, what is he good at? He is aggressive but his standup is sloppy,his punches are slow and weak, his wrestling is decent and submissions are decent at best.His Defense...?? What defense? eating punches is his defense. If he didn't have a great chin he would not even be in the UFC. Also all his fights are boring, name a Leben fight that was exciting.

You sound like someone who has only seen his last 2 fights (Silva, Luigi), or at the very least, are basing your entire 'analysis' on those 2 fights.

1) I didn't claim Leben to be a "great" fighter or an A-level fighter. There's no way he's either at this point. But he is a good fighter who is likely considered in the top 12-15 range in the world right now at 185. A loss to a top 4-5 fighter in the world (Silva) doesn't knock him outside of the top 20 or anything. The expected happen. Silva had everything to lose in that fight, not Leben.

2) Ask Jorge Rivera and Mike Swick if Leben's punches are that weak. They, both good fighters in their own right, got KTFO. Swick has never been beaten or KO other than that fight. And not counting his first fight, the only other guy to stop Rivera with strikes is Anderson Silva.

3) He's just a good all-around fighter, he's got a good chin, decent hands, good wrestling, and decent submissions. One horrible showing against one of the best MMA strikers in the world doesn't change that.

4) As far as Leben fights that are exciting, I thought his fights against Silva, Swick, Cote, and Rivera were all somewhat exciting to name a few (as obviously were many of his ones against poor fighters who he disposed of easily).

But hey, I know a lot of you like to overreact to one fight, don't let me stop you from doing so.

Originally Posted by JTMook

As for Santiago the only fight I've seen of his was against Joey Villasenor. That was pretty much
just a wrestling match, neither did any damage to each other. So if Villasenor couldn't do anything to Santiago, what is Leben gonna do?

I've seen a couple of Santiago's KOTC fights as well.

I expect Leben to win, probably by decision.

[I know Kung Fu]

I think Leben will take this fight

[JTMook]

Originally Posted by juggo

You sound like someone who has only seen his last 2 fights (Silva, Luigi), or at the very least, are basing your entire 'analysis' on those 2 fights.

1) I didn't claim Leben to be a "great" fighter or an A-level fighter. There's no way he's either at this point. But he is a good fighter who is likely considered in the top 12-15 range in the world right now at 185. A loss to a top 4-5 fighter in the world (Silva) doesn't knock him outside of the top 20 or anything. The expected happen. Silva had everything to lose in that fight, not Leben.

Yes, the expected did happen but he is not a good fighter, he has a great chin and smothers his opponents and throws slop thats how he wins.

2) Ask Jorge Rivera and Mike Swick if Leben's punches are that weak. They, both good fighters in their own right, got KTFO. Swick has never been beaten or KO other than that fight. And not counting his first fight, the only other guy to stop Rivera with strikes is Anderson Silva.

He was throwing wild sloppy hooks and got lucky when knocked Swick out, if they fought again and Swick uses his footwork and fights technical, he would easily win.

3) He's just a good all-around fighter, he's got a good chin, decent hands, good wrestling, and decent submissions. One horrible showing against one of the best MMA strikers in the world doesn't change that.

good chin,decent hands,good wrestling,decent submissions, I completely agree, but good all-around fighter NO!! he doesn't have any defense and he's not a smart fighter. Not having
any defense gets you KTFO, his fight with Silva taught him that


4) As far as Leben fights that are exciting, I thought his fights against Silva, Swick, Cote, and Rivera were all somewhat exciting to name a few (as obviously were many of his ones against poor fighters who he disposed of easily).

His fight with Silva was good because of SILVA, it was like Mayweather vs Gatti. Cote was just
rock'em sock'em robot shit, and Rivera was one of the weirdiest fights I've seen,Jorge just got on all fours and eat punchs


But hey, I know a lot of you like to overreact to one fight, don't let me stop you from doing so.

Had nothing to do with the Anderson Silva fight

I've seen a couple of Santiago's KOTC fights as well.

I expect Leben to win, probably by decision.

Yeah if he does LnP he probably can get a decision