[Wolverine314]

After listening to beat down this morning, and hearing what Ken's game plan was it seems to me like he was trying to use the same type of plan that his brother Frank used against Tito. He wanted to tire Tito out and eventually secure the win late in the 3rd round. Is it just me, or does this seem like a really bad idea to try to pull against someone in a three round fight, and against someone who swore that he would never lose a fight to conditioning again? Just my thoughts.

[Sleepdancer]

Not really, if you saw the fight against Griffin it's easy to see Tito gassed from his own fury at the first round. This might have been because he was injured but we don't know.

I could easily imagine Tito going beserk on Ken because he dislikes him so much and underestimates him, that he'll burn off his tank. But never got that far. Even though Herb stopped the fight I think Ken could have gone on, though I have no problem with the stoppage, it was fair overall. But i'm just postive Ken wasent done. Anyways, Tito would probably have pulled of the decision anyways.

[MMADisciple84]

I think it's a bad strategy for sure. If Tito is healthy going into the fight and can train as hard as he can he will not gas in a 15 minute fight. Stopping his takedowns or standing up right after being taken down is the best strategy imo. You need to get into his head and try to "break his spirit". Once Tito is mentally defeated he will soon be physically defeated also.

[richieb19]

How was it a bad gameplan? He never said he that Tito is not well-contiditionned, he said he would weather the strom and he would slow down.

[Punished]

Originally Posted by richieb19

How was it a bad gameplan? He never said he that Tito is not well-contiditionned, he said he would weather the strom and he would slow down.

That is a horrible game plan....


Not having any tactical plan that deals with any style or specific strength of another fighter and instead just counting on another athlete to slow down is a pitiful game plan.

It says you have absolutely no ability to control the match and impose your own will and must instead hope to not only have the athlete gas, but that you will also survive the initial assult.

How do you take yourself seriously Richie? You are so blinded by Ken's nutsack you do not even try and think objectively. You seriously thought that sounded reasonable??

I mean really you need get a clue... Because you do nothing to help out your hero when you debate like a little obsessed groupie.

[MMADisciple84]

Well I think it's a bad gameplan for Ken Shamrock. If he allows himself to be taken down by Tito he will lose everytime. He isn't capable of weathering Tito's storm. He will get knocked out everytime. He needs to avoid putting himself in that position.

[USARMYSOLDIER]

The guy showed some incredible sprawling skills in the past, against much better wrestlers than Tito Ortiz. It makes no sense that tito takes him down so easily.

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by Punished

That is a horrible game plan....


Not having any tactical plan that deals with any style or specific strength of another fighter and instead just counting on another athlete to slow down is a pitiful game plan.

It says you have absolutely no ability to control the match and impose your own will and must instead hope to not only have the athlete gas, but that you will also survive the initial assult.

How do you take yourself seriously Richie? You are so blinded by Ken's nutsack you do not even try and think objectively. You seriously thought that sounded reasonable??

I mean really you need get a clue...

Tell all that to Frank Shamrock, who executed the exact same game plan and made Tito tap from strikes in the fourth round.

Ken said he planned to weather Tito's storm and force him to work from within Ken's guard, eventually getting back to his feet and wearing him down standing. That is exactly what Frank did, but for a three round fight against one of the best conditioned athletes, it was a gamble, and one Ken lost.

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by USARMYSOLDIER

The guy showed some incredible sprawling skills in the past, against much better wrestlers than Tito Ortiz. It makes no sense that tito takes him down so easily.

That is the key phrase right there: "In The Past." Ken is past his prime, and while he showed incredible athleticism and skill in his day, that day is gone and he has lost one too many steps over time to be able to continue at the elite level successfully.

[Tmacrulz]

Depending on the other guy to slow down in order to win a fight means that you have no business being in the fight in the first place. Just my opinion.