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11-21-2008, 04:33 AM
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Brown Belt
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Regardless of what happened, he's back.. good for the UFC.
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11-21-2008, 04:34 AM
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Silver Belt
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Originally Posted by isor
You can bet that Dana doesnt appreciate being made to look like a jackass - so Fitch gets the victory in that respect.
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No changes were made to the contract, Dana scared the crap out of Fitch and Fitch did exactly what Dana told him to do in signing it (as he should have, for his own sake).
The only victory for Fitch was barely keeping his job.
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11-21-2008, 04:36 AM
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Green Belt
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Who do you think gave Dana the ok to release Fitch in the first place?, I can't believe that some Sherdoggers are this dumb. Dana is the bad cop, Lorenzo is the good cop and Fitch and AKA bent over and signed the very same deals the were supposedly against in the end.
Dana/Lorenzo 1-Fitch/AKA 0.
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11-21-2008, 04:37 AM
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Oct 2007
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uh, I don't think that was really his angle.
dana was being a prick making threats, fitch declined.
lorenzo asked nicely and fitch signed.
I don't think there was any psychological/sociological art of war stuff going on here.
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11-21-2008, 04:39 AM
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Banned
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Originally Posted by Raker616
Who do you think gave Dana the ok to release Fitch in the first place?, I can't believe that some Sherdoggers are this dumb. Dana is the bad cop, Lorenzo is the good cop and Fitch and AKA bent over and signed the very same deals the were supposedly against in the end.
Dana/Lorenzo 1-Fitch/AKA 0.
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As President White as power of authority to cut fighters as wish. It is no different than any job, you may have a nagging supervisor who just won't leave you alone and is closed to firing you, or may even fired you at will. That is when you have to go to the main man. The main honcho. Sure he might agree with the supervisor's decision, but he can also see it at your point of view and override the supervisor's decision and gove you your job back.
So go back to sleep idiot.
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11-21-2008, 04:40 AM
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Green Belt
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Originally Posted by peteyandjia
No changes were made to the contract, Dana scared the crap out of Fitch and Fitch did exactly what Dana told him to do in signing it (as he should have, for his own sake).
The only victory for Fitch was barely keeping his job.
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Fitch has said that the only real problem he had was with the heavy handed tactics - If you believe that to be true then Fitch got what he wanted in having the UFC show some civility.
Also - successfully going above Danas head seriously undermines any scariness that Dana might have had. To put is bluntly it shows hes full of shit.
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11-21-2008, 04:44 AM
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Just as a sort of stream-of-consciousness thought, I'm curious to see how situations like this will evolve in the future. Right now, Dana essentially gets away with his business practices and general behavior because he owns the only truly successful and profitable organization in town, and this in turn, provides him leverage with every move.
The fighters are free to compete elsewhere, but it's a hollow option because fighting anywhere else presents an uncertain future. In fact, the mentality of these fledgling orgs of signing expensive "leftovers" is precisely what is putting them in debt - the market for MMA recognizes brand more than individuals; a concept lost on many debut promoters.
But what happens when the market stabilizes, and situations like this don't have the restriction of always compromising to the will of Allah, I mean...Dana? Zuffa hasn't built a monopoly. But they've capitalized on monopolizing lateral movement within the market in certain ways. Or some shit like that.
Fitch didn't prove Dana is the middleman. He just proved how well oiled this machine (in this case the UFC) really is. I mean, Affliction would have given Fitch likeness rights, a paycheck three times Fitch's actual market worth, and Tom Atencio's wife. That sounds great for the fighter until we're looking at a year down the road when Fitch is out of the job because Affliction didn't try to maximize their own profits. Which sounds like Affliction's future anyway.
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11-21-2008, 04:46 AM
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Silver Belt
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by isor
Fitch has said that the only real problem he had was with the heavy handed tactics - I you believe that to be true then Fitch got what he wanted in having the UFC show some civility
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No - Fitch is already on record saying he had a problem with the contract. He wanted to only sign his likeness away for 5-10 years, not a lifetime.
Fitch is the one lying now, trying to save face in order to explaining giving in.
Again, he's on record as having a problem with the contract, not just 'Dana's attitude'.
He should've signed it right away, he's lucky he got his job back.
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11-21-2008, 04:56 AM
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyandjia
No - Fitch is already on record saying he had a problem with the contract. He wanted to only sign his likeness away for 5-10 years, not a lifetime.
Fitch is the one lying now, trying to save face in order to explaining giving in.
Again, he's on record as having a problem with the contract, not just 'Dana's attitude'.
He should've signed it right away, he's lucky he got his job back.
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Pretty much. He didn't prove shit.
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11-21-2008, 04:57 AM
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Orange Belt
Join Date: Jul 2008
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If anything it shows that Dana does not have the all the power. Also that the hate that sherdogers give him is stupid because all of the "bad moves" that Dana makes have to be ok'ed first.
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