On japanese favoritism in pride

WSKUNGFUCLUB · 07-22-2006, 06:00 PM

was reading through another long thread and i just had to start a new one because it frustrates me how people are so ignorant.

1) ANYONE who says pride favors its own japanese fighters hasn't seen enough pride fights. many people have already mentioned the RIDICULOUS minowa-gracie decision--i would like ANYONE who is pro-pride favoritism to please intelligently explain that one. and then there were the yosh/wand fights which really could have gone either way--especially the second fight. and yoshida is a national hero--they could have EASILY given him the win without much complaint. explain that one.

2) even if you think the ricco/nog decision was controversial, big nog is not japanese.

3) saku-shamrock now has a ufc equivalent in tito-shamrock II. ken shamrock has proven that he puts himself in bad spots--no one to blame but himself. it is no more japanese favoritism that gave sak the win than it was mexican favoritism that gave tito the win. ken shamrock lost to both of them, irregardless.

4) the refs and judges in the ufc are IMO either the same or worse than the refs in pride, but CERTAINLY NOT BETTER. they've made their share of mistakes--and they have their share of controversial stoppages. and if anyone watched the hammerhouse/gracie challenge they saw the WORST refereeing job EVER by mario yamasaki (ufc ref) in the sims/gracie fight. as for the judges, i will use a recent example: the judge who scored the rashad evans/bonnar fight as a draw. please defend that one. ANYONE? ANYONE?

the point is there are bad calls, bad decisions in both orgs. there is no japanese favoritism, but since there ARE a lot of japanese fighters fighting in pride, sooner or later you're going to get a bad call or decision INVOLVING a japanese fighter. if you are ignorant and stupid, you call this favoritism. if you are NOT, you realize that it's just PART OF THE SPORT.

King of Hearts · 07-22-2006, 06:14 PM

There a stronger argument for American bias in the UFC than Pride bias to Japanese. People use early stoppages as reasoning as to why Pride favors Japanese fighters yet there are several examples that contradict that. Pulver vs Taisho. Oyama vs Silva. Hansen vs Imanari. People say that Japanese are favored in decisions yet ignore Kondo vs Hendo, Misaki vs Hendo, Misaki vs Acacio, Ryan Gracie vs Minowa, and more. So for every "Japanese-bias" example anyone uses, I can bring up two more cases where the foreigner was favored.

Lets look at the UFC. Charuto vs Hughes. Franca vs Yves. Bustamante vs Liddell. Bustamante vs Lindland. Sudo vs Ludwig. How many cases in the UFC do you have where the contraversy favors the foreigner? Practicaly none. The best case you have is GSP vs Penn, and thats a horrible example because Dana/UFC is known for not favoring Penn, and they have pushed GSP.

WSKUNGFUCLUB · 07-22-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by King of Hearts

There a stronger argument for American bias in the UFC than Pride bias to Japanese. People use early stoppages as reasoning as to why Pride favors Japanese fighters yet there are several examples that contradict that. Pulver vs Taisho. Oyama vs Silva. Hansen vs Imanari. People say that Japanese are favored in decisions yet ignore Kondo vs Hendo, Misaki vs Hendo, Misaki vs Acacio, Ryan Gracie vs Minowa, and more. So for every "Japanese-bias" example anyone uses, I can bring up two more cases where the foreigner was favored.

Lets look at the UFC. Charuto vs Hughes. Franca vs Yves. Bustamante vs Liddell. Bustamante vs Lindland. Sudo vs Ludwig. How many cases in the UFC do you have where the contraversy favors the foreigner? Practicaly none. The best case you have is GSP vs Penn, and thats a horrible example because Dana/UFC is known for not favoring Penn, and they have pushed GSP.

exactly. you bring up many good examples. individual fights can be judged and argued over, but to make the sweeping japanese favoritism statements that SO MANY idiots on this forum make is ignorant.