[brahma_bull]

i see fanboys of both Randy and Big Nog giving their extreme end opinions and me being a fan of both will give mine.

Everyone loves a fairytale as it gives hope to their own pathetic lifes(see when Diana and Prince Charles first got married),and i got to admit,the fairytale that is Randy couture is something that even i love,the classic underdogs story.Every fight of his is like a fairy tale.His fight versus Sylvia is like the story of a Old and Mature Knight(Randy),weathered and worn down,taking his sword for one last glory(UFC belt) to save a kingdom(Us fans) from the ravages of a mean ogre(Sylvia).

His fight with Gonzaga was like a typical cop movie where the veteran cop shows that he can still teach a thing or two to the new hotshot young blooded cop.But his hero worship is getting out of control.

1)No HW is going to dominate Randy in a 5 round fight(maybe fedor),and by dominate i mean put a beat down like he did to Sylvia.

2)The submission match with Jacare-please dont bring that up,cause its way overrated.Randy himself said what he was doing was barely surviving and that was against a guy smaller then him and in a GRAPPLING match.Also anyone who has trained MMA(i do) knows everything changes when strikes come into play.Your mind is only occupied with thinking about ground control, submission attempts and defending opponents attempts in Grappling.

No matter how much he has trained in grappling he is still significantly weaker in it compared to someone like Nog.Just like Nog aint going to learn to have as good cage awareness and control as Randy by training.

Randy has also shown that he can be caught via submissions(inoue and v.overeem) due to his Style of fighting and lose out eventually to superior ground fighters(ricco and barnett) also due to his Style.Nog is both a superior ground fighter and a submission specialist.

3)Nog has taken Mega pounding on the ground by the huge hands of Sapp and the ferocious GnP of Fedor without being finished.I doubt Randy's GNP is going to trouble him.

4)Randy is superior with takedowns and Nog will get taken down again and again,so Randy will score valuable points with the judges.But Nog LOVES working off his back and doesnt have to worry about having to take the fight to the ground as Randy will do the job for him.

5)Randy aint knocking Nog out and vice versa.Both do not have reliable KO power in their hands.Nog has better technical stand up and Randy is better in the clinch.But Randy often is out of balance when he goes for the clinch and fails(severely like a fish out of water),its a wonder no one has taken advantage of that yet.

6)Nog has fought the poor man's wrestler in Coleman and a similar wrestler in Dan henderson.The result=Two submission wins and one decision loss.Randy has not fought a competent ground fighter since his earlier stint in Heavyweight where he lost to Ricco and Josh Barnett.If he had fought Babalu when he was in LHW,he would have lost imho.

Randy's cage awareness and experience will win him at least the first two rounds in the eyes of the judges coupled with the fact that Nog always takes punishment early on to win.Randy's conditioning will be tested in the later rounds(a good ground guy knows how to make the guy on top expend all his energy like how Randy was gassed in the Arsdale fight).

Either Nog will submit him in the later rounds or take it to a razor tin decision to the end.If it goes to decision,its a toss up who wins.(IMHO Nog will probably have to put up a unanimous win decision type of fight to even win a Split decision against Randy or he might get "Decision Danned".

Nog is not the best person to beat Randy,Thats probably Fedor or Arlovski Stylistically,but i think hes good enough to get the job done.

[brahma_bull]

ttt

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by brahma_bull

Either Nog will submit him in the later rounds or take it to a razor tin decision to the end.

No way. Nogueira is not submitting Randy, and if it goes to a decision, it's going to be Randy getting the nod. I see Randy controlling the fight on the feet (talk about Nogueira training with the Cuban boxing team all you want, the fact is he isn't very good on the feet and certainly lacks any substantial power) especially the clinch/wrestling aspect, and on the ground, I can see him staying out of submissions and working his calculated GNP game.

It would also be interesting to see how Nogueira responds to elbows and how susceptable he is to cuts, because Randy has very good elbows, especially from in tight.

Nogueira hasn't looked very good in his last few fights while Randy looks better than ever. I've got Randy winning this fight either by decision or possibly a stoppage in the later rounds. Nogueira's only hope would be to land on top, otherwise I don't see him doing any damage to Randy on the feet nor do I see him securing a submission from off his back.

[Big Tom]

Of course Nog is good enough to get the job done. With that said, I do not see why everyone goes on these big tangents about how so-and-so would win against whoever. The unpredictability of MMA is what makes it so great.

[ChuteStomp]

U better go elsewhere then

[Big Tom]

This does have to be a dream matchup for any MMA fan who knows anything about the sport. I really hope this happens!

[az92coupe]

Though I mostly agree with the post - I really don't see how you can argue Randy's conditioning. He'll go five rounds easy - he did recently with Tim - Noq looked exhausted at the end of his last 3 round decision. Also - I think the cage and elbows changes things more than enough to give Randy the nod. He'll come in with a game plan and fight with it. You can't argue how smart he fights - I think he'll use the clinch, elbows and the cage and pound out a GNP, decision or ref stopage. Would love to see this fight btw -

[joberd]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

No way. Nogueira is not submitting Randy, and if it goes to a decision, it's going to be Randy getting the nod. I see Randy controlling the fight on the feet (talk about Nogueira training with the Cuban boxing team all you want, the fact is he isn't very good on the feet and certainly lacks any substantial power) especially the clinch/wrestling aspect, and on the ground, I can see him staying out of submissions and working his calculated GNP game.

Ya bro dominating Heath Herring on the feet for 13 minutes and rocking him means he 'isn't very good on his feet and lacks any substantial power'. Same with going toe-to-toe with Sergei and Josh Barnett.

Not to mention he's swept MUCH larger fighters off his back in Barnett, Sergei, Fedor once, so I don't see why he couldn't sweep Randy

It would also be interesting to see how Nogueira responds to elbows and how susceptable he is to cuts, because Randy has very good elbows, especially from in tight.

Nogueira's went through the worst beatings in MMA. Just because he hasn't dealt with elbows doesn't mean he hasn't dealt with numerous hard strikes, headkicks, and knees to the head. Elbows are not going to cut him up

Nogueira hasn't looked very good in his last few fights while Randy looks better than ever. I've got Randy winning this fight either by decision or possibly a stoppage in the later rounds. Nogueira's only hope would be to land on top, otherwise I don't see him doing any damage to Randy on the feet nor do I see him securing a submission from off his back.

Nog got sloppy and was caught in a brutal headkick against a very big and underrated Heath Herring. Aside from that, he controlled the entire fight both standing and on the ground. Before that he had two fight-of-the-year performances with Josh Barnett, who on top of being a top-5 HW, already beat Randy Couture.

[Rock Boulder]

You lean towards Nog, as you say unbiasly but you are really giving him the upperhand in too many aspects.

I see Randy winning this via decision or possibly stoppage. If Randy dropped Nog like Herring did, Nog would be finished seconds later.

[badblood2k]

retarded

Originally Posted by brahma_bull

i see fanboys of both Randy and Big Nog giving their extreme end opinions and me being a fan of both will give mine.

Everyone loves a fairytale as it gives hope to their own pathetic lifes(see when Diana and Prince Charles first got married),and i got to admit,the fairytale that is Randy couture is something that even i love,the classic underdogs story.Every fight of his is like a fairy tale.His fight versus Sylvia is like the story of a Old and Mature Knight(Randy),weathered and worn down,taking his sword for one last glory(UFC belt) to save a kingdom(Us fans) from the ravages of a mean ogre(Sylvia).

His fight with Gonzaga was like a typical cop movie where the veteran cop shows that he can still teach a thing or two to the new hotshot young blooded cop.But his hero worship is getting out of control.

1)No HW is going to dominate Randy in a 5 round fight(maybe fedor),and by dominate i mean put a beat down like he did to Sylvia.

2)The submission match with Jacare-please dont bring that up,cause its way overrated.Randy himself said what he was doing was barely surviving and that was against a guy smaller then him and in a GRAPPLING match.Also anyone who has trained MMA(i do) knows everything changes when strikes come into play.Your mind is only occupied with thinking about ground control, submission attempts and defending opponents attempts in Grappling.

No matter how much he has trained in grappling he is still significantly weaker in it compared to someone like Nog.Just like Nog aint going to learn to have as good cage awareness and control as Randy by training.

Randy has also shown that he can be caught via submissions(inoue and v.overeem) due to his Style of fighting and lose out eventually to superior ground fighters(ricco and barnett) also due to his Style.Nog is both a superior ground fighter and a submission specialist.

3)Nog has taken Mega pounding on the ground by the huge hands of Sapp and the ferocious GnP of Fedor without being finished.I doubt Randy's GNP is going to trouble him.

4)Randy is superior with takedowns and Nog will get taken down again and again,so Randy will score valuable points with the judges.But Nog LOVES working off his back and doesnt have to worry about having to take the fight to the ground as Randy will do the job for him.

5)Randy aint knocking Nog out and vice versa.Both do not have reliable KO power in their hands.Nog has better technical stand up and Randy is better in the clinch.But Randy often is out of balance when he goes for the clinch and fails(severely like a fish out of water),its a wonder no one has taken advantage of that yet.

6)Nog has fought the poor man's wrestler in Coleman and a similar wrestler in Dan henderson.The result=Two submission wins and one decision loss.Randy has not fought a competent ground fighter since his earlier stint in Heavyweight where he lost to Ricco and Josh Barnett.If he had fought Babalu when he was in LHW,he would have lost imho.

Randy's cage awareness and experience will win him at least the first two rounds in the eyes of the judges coupled with the fact that Nog always takes punishment early on to win.Randy's conditioning will be tested in the later rounds(a good ground guy knows how to make the guy on top expend all his energy like how Randy was gassed in the Arsdale fight).

Either Nog will submit him in the later rounds or take it to a razor tin decision to the end.If it goes to decision,its a toss up who wins.(IMHO Nog will probably have to put up a unanimous win decision type of fight to even win a Split decision against Randy or he might get "Decision Danned".

Nog is not the best person to beat Randy,Thats probably Fedor or Arlovski Stylistically,but i think hes good enough to get the job done.