[Miiiiiiighty]

I think it's obviously CC who earned the "Fighter of the year" status ...
Josh is an undisputed 2nd to me ...
But he's taking risks , he fought too much this year, and he'll have a damn hard fight against Nog , makes me laugh when I recall that he was supposed to be feed with a can ...

[Newb]

Originally Posted by Yep.

Cro Cop is fighter of the year. He mauled the OWGP, and Nog arguably won that fight. Meanwhile, Barnett was also having fits with Nastula. Fedor was injured for quite some time, leaving fighter of the year bragging rights to Cro Cop.

Im sick of hearinh how winning the OWGP makes him fighter of the year. Look at his opponents.

Minowa (Total freakshow fight)
Yoshida (Not freakshow, but really no challenge either)
Wanderlei (Full props for that win)
Barnett (Whom he's already beaten twice, and Mirko breezed through Wandy in about 2 minutes while Barnett fought a war with Nog.)


Compare that to Barnetts year:

Aleks E (Top 10 HW)
Hunt (Top 10 HW, albeit an extremely overrated one)
Big Nog (number 2 heavy in the world)

And thats not even counting wins over Nak and Pastula, which arent exactly amazing, but it just shows what a busy year hes had. And two of the fighters he beat were fighters Mirko couldnt get past.


Josh Barnett=Fighter of the year.

[Cebok]

Originally Posted by Klotz

What makes this a bigger accomplishment than beating him the first time? It won't prove anything more.

Yes it does make it a bigger accomplishment because this time is with the regular rules of Pride and not the GP case in which they fought only 2 rouns instead of 3 and ofcourse that in the GP they couldn't call a draw which was the most reasonable call for that fight up to that moment.

Nog had the first round
Josh had the second round

Now we get to finally see what would have happened in the third.

[Bas Rutten Gear]

Originally Posted by Newb

Im sick of hearinh how winning the OWGP makes him fighter of the year. Look at his opponents.

Minowa (Total freakshow fight)
Yoshida (Not freakshow, but really no challenge either)
Wanderlei (Full props for that win)
Barnett (Whom he's already beaten twice, and Mirko breezed through Wandy in about 2 minutes while Barnett fought a war with Nog.)


Compare that to Barnetts year:

Aleks E (Top 10 HW)
Hunt (Top 10 HW, albeit an extremely overrated one)
Big Nog (number 2 heavy in the world)

And thats not even counting wins over Nak and Pastula, which arent exactly amazing, but it just shows what a busy year hes had. And two of the fighters he beat were fighters Mirko couldnt get past.


Josh Barnett=Fighter of the year.

It is not CC's fault that Barnett had a war with Nog. CC had a very tough opponent in front of him and was able to dismantle him easily.

[Yep.]

Originally Posted by Newb

Im sick of hearinh how winning the OWGP makes him fighter of the year. Look at his opponents.

Minowa (Total freakshow fight)
Yoshida (Not freakshow, but really no challenge either)
Wanderlei (Full props for that win)
Barnett (Whom he's already beaten twice, and Mirko breezed through Wandy in about 2 minutes while Barnett fought a war with Nog.)


Compare that to Barnetts year:

Aleks E (Top 10 HW)
Hunt (Top 10 HW, albeit an extremely overrated one)
Big Nog (number 2 heavy in the world)

And thats not even counting wins over Nak and Pastula, which arent exactly amazing, but it just shows what a busy year hes had. And two of the fighters he beat were fighters Mirko couldnt get past.


Josh Barnett=Fighter of the year.

His resume of opponents is better, but to many people here, Barnett was awarded a BS decision over Nog, and Cro Cop already beat Barnett before. It was highly unlikely that Barnett would win again. Even though Cro Cop had an easier time with Wand than Barnett did with Nog, Cro Cop won and Barnett lost. And I would be willing to bet that if they fought again this year, Cro Cop would beat him again.

[Yep.]

Originally Posted by Bas Rutten Gear

It is not CC's fault that Barnett had a war with Nog. CC had a very tough opponent in front of him and was able to dismantle him easily.

Well stated. Cro Cop got the job done, Barnett didn't. People were expecting Wandy to win the whole thing before it even started, and CC gave him a beating. Part of winning a tournament is not only to survive but to finish your opponents swiftly, something that Cro Cop was successful at and Barnett wasn't.

We can continue to make wonders of "could have, would have, should have," but things happened the way they happened. Cro Cop won the OWGP, something Barnett couldn't do.

[mrblonde55]

Originally Posted by Bas Rutten Gear

It is not CC's fault that Barnett had a war with Nog. CC had a very tough opponent in front of him and was able to dismantle him easily.

Its not his fault, which is why he still was awarded the OWGP title and eveyone gives him the respect deserving of an GP champion. However, that is exactly the kind of thing that should be taken into account when determining somthing like fighter of the year.

When evaluating someone's record, surely you cant treat a loss after 3 months of training the same as a loss 1 hour after a 15 min war with a high level opponent.

edit: If it was as simple as some of you would like to make it, why dont they call the OWGP the "Fighter of the Year Tournament"?

[Bambaloo]

Originally Posted by Michael Cheritt

Oh man, I didnt realize he took him down. Did you see BJs head slame the mat, man he must have beaten the crap outta him the whole fight.

[Bas Rutten Gear]

Originally Posted by Yep.

Well stated. Cro Cop got the job done, Barnett didn't. People were expecting Wandy to win the whole thing before it even started, and CC gave him a beating. Part of winning a tournament is not only to survive but to finish your opponents swiftly, something that Cro Cop was successful at and Barnett wasn't.

We can continue to make wonders of "could have, would have, should have," but things happened the way they happened. Cro Cop won the OWGP, something Barnett couldn't do.

Exactly. If anyone else wants to quote what I say above and argue about it, just look at Yep's response for how I feel about it.

[Shft_E]

Originally Posted by Stefen

He already has a case for himself, but if he beats Nog again, he's fighter of the year, END OF THREAD.

His loss to Cro Cop is almost a win for him and 2 wins for Cro Cop cause Barnett had just come off the fight of the year an hour earlier.

Barnett fighter of the year if he wins?

a close runner up but not the fighter of the year.

GSP out classed everyone this year, save the 1st round of Bj Penn.

Barnett had some trouble with Natsula but he was roided(but to be fair, its not something barnett hasnt done to someone else)

Also he just got through not barely. I like Barnett and think he is one of if not the best hybrid catch wrestler. But he has had mixed results this year.