[D_Frag]

If the supplements are CONTAMINATED, exactly what research is he supposed to do? If they're contaminated, then by definition, the offending components of the supplement will not be listed on any product spec. sheets. The only real "research" I would expect from an athlete would be to look at the list of ingredients, and try to match them up on a list of banned substances. Other than that, I suppose an athlete could get a degree in biochem, physiology, or pharmacology and study to see what the ****bolites of each listed ingredient are. At that point, they could create an analytical lab in the gym to ensure contaminant free supplements.

That said, I do find the idea of a supplement being contaminated with deca to be a far fetched idea. I would imagine a substance like deca is made by running a reactor, followed by distillation and bottling. I imagine supplements are made via a large mixer. Unless a company uses the same vessel as their mixer and reactor, I don’t see it happening.

[Popswiss]

Ok, so i posted something similar in the first Sherk thread, but no one probably read it. My info was from a scholarly article (one of the few legit sources for information) and no one seemed to notice. It is "possible" however, it is very unlikely. That is what science is about. There are no "truths" in science. Everything is simply likely or unlikely to occur. In this case, it is unlikely that Sherk wasn't taking steroids, but it is still possible.

[jayrico]

Originally Posted by Popswiss

Ok, so i posted something similar in the first Sherk thread, but no one probably read it. My info was from a scholarly article (one of the few legit sources for information) and no one seemed to notice. It is "possible" however, it is very unlikely. That is what science is about. There are no "truths" in science. Everything is simply likely or unlikely to occur. In this case, it is unlikely that Sherk wasn't taking steroids, but it is still possible.

No truth in science? So science is just a bunch of baseless speculations

[baseballplayr71]

Originally Posted by OmegaPoon

awww, he should know what he's putting in his body. And no one needs 22 supp's.

Unfortunately it's not quite that easy. The supplement companies hide things in their supplements, so that their competitors can't copy it. And furthermore some of the supplements especially the new ones, theres no way to tell how it ****bolizes in the body. I've heard of a legal testosterone booster (not pro-hormone) was recently found to ****bolize in the body like like a steroid (Dianabol i believe).

[TiTi Ortiz]

he was gonna get his ass whooped by bj roids or no roids anyway.

[baseballplayr71]

Originally Posted by jayrico

No truth in science? So science is just a bunch of baseless speculations

I think more so what he meant, theres no 100% truth to science. Theres always a small chance that something can be beyond it. Like anatomy all the science says the heart is on the left on a chest x-ray but you get the rare person whose actually has Dextrocardia (where the heart is on the right side) or situs inverses (where all the on the organs on are the opposite side of they should be). At some point it was "science" that the heart was only here but there are execptions.

[j_neatherlin]

Originally Posted by baseballplayr71

Unfortunately it's not quite that easy. The supplement companies hide things in their supplements, so that their competitors can't copy it. And furthermore some of the supplements especially the new ones, theres no way to tell how it ****bolizes in the body. I've heard of a legal testosterone booster (not pro-hormone) was recently found to ****bolize in the body like like a steroid (Dianabol i believe).

it was found, in the past, that some supplements were contaminated by "prohormones" such as ones that would produce a "false positive" for nandrolone.

however, this was because those supplements were produced in the same factory as prohormones, making cross contamination a possibility.

a while back, prohormones were scheduled in the same classification as other anabolic steroids, making them illegal for a supplement company to produce.

because of this, companies are no longer producing prohormones (there are still loopholes, and while i'm not all that in touch with the supplement game anymore, i don't know of any that wold produce nandrolone ****bolites), thus the possibilty of cross contamination no longer exists.

even if someone were to use one of those supplements, that they may have stashed before the prohormone ban, those supplements are now considered the same as anabolic steroids, meaning that they ARE illegal. so, the use of those supplements is still breaking the rules.

and as far as nandrolone steroids that are still available, such as decadurabolin, has no oral availability, so he could consume all of the deca he wanted, but it would be destroyed by the gut and would not produce a positive test result. oral steroids have a certain chemical structure that protects them from being destroyed by the gut. to my knowledge, there are no nandrolone steroids that contain that particular chemical structure.

[jayrico]

Here's an informative read: http://www.uksport.gov.uk/assets/Fil...port_Feb03.pdf

"iii) Competitors are again strongly advised that using dietary supplements carries the potential risk of unknowingly ingesting a banned substance.

Galan Martin et al (20) studied 40 healthy sports
persons and 10 postmenopausal women. Four
sportsmen had concentrations of 5, 6, 8 and 14
nanograms per millilitre, and a postmenopausal
woman had a concentration of 22 nanograms
per millilitre. The Committee considered that
these findings were so completely different from
all the other data available from other
investigations of control subjects, that without
further investigation it is difficult to accept these
data as representative of a control population."

Also the report mentioned that some of the studies on nandrolone false positive were not peer reviewed or had inconclusive data.

Another thing that people must consider about these studies is that they were done 5-7 years ago and in that span science can change so much and further studies done by Anti-Doping Agencies could have invalidated them. I can safely assume that these studies have been deemed inconclusive since WADA, IAAF and IOC still maintain the threshold for NA at 2ng/ml. The latest development in steroid testing had nothing to with the aforementioned studies. WADA have modified their testing to detect unstable urine (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2005-...ndrolone_x.htm. I'm no expert but IMO this is the most probable way that Sherk tested positive even though the possibility is between 1 in 1,000 and 1 in 10,000.

[koreankid6413]

stop the roid threads and stop the hero of time sherk video posts

[RatFaceDrunken]

Interesting. I wonder if there's a list of everything that Sherk was taking.