I just saw Kenflo v. Lauzon - Page 6

batman69 · 05-17-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EclipsedAgent

Looked parallel to the ground to me.. that isn't downward.

They were on the top of the head and not to the spine or the back of the head.

the real argument seems to be between those thinking of the rule in a literal interpretation and those thinking of it abstractly. as in the former group takes the rule to mean "downward" as towards the floor of the cage or ring, or earth if you want to take it further. where as the latter bunch of poster's take it to mean from the angle of the limb being thrown as it relates to the throwers body. the importance here is how the ufc and athletic commissions view the rule and set the standard. i have yet to hear a clear distinction by someone in authority on which it is. if there has been one i missed it.

Iron Blade · 05-17-2008, 04:03 PM

and I'm astounded by the amount of bitching over such an irrelevant strike. This has to be a record.

mycorona135 · 05-17-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

Sort of.... Professional athletes do such things all the time. Micheal Irvin would push off at will because the refs allowed him to do it. Patrick Ewing and other NBA superstars knew refs would allow them to travel all over the court. And so they continued to do it.

Their are thousands of examples. But like I said, MMA is different in many cases. Referees are in charge of protecting a fighter from serious harm, especially from illegal strikes.

Do Silva and Florian go in with a plan to deliver illegal strikes. I doubt it. I figure they are conscious of what they are doing though. Both were aware they might be in trouble getting mounted and they used illegal strikes to escape. Which is part of the equation. Problem is that they were allowed to perform illegal actions. I don't blame Silva or Florian. It's not their job to referee.

Plenty of guys do illegal things to escape dangerous situations. The Tito/Rashad fight is another example.

silva was in no trouble... he had lutter in a triangle choke.

MMAddicted · 05-17-2008, 04:05 PM

anderson silva has never thrown an illegal elbow in the ufc

every elbow he throws has an angle or arc, unlike florian's

mycorona135 · 05-17-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Blade

and I'm astounded by the amount of bitching over such an irrelevant strike. This has to be a record.

lol... qft

Shoogun · 05-17-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by southsideSTi

So stop watching it. If you don't see it, we won't have to read anymore of these horrible threads.

Now fuck off

yeah! gotta love the product 100%!! or else don't watch it at all!

what an idiotic post

Mrs. Garrett · 05-17-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KJGould

Nope, because he's not able to put his whole bodyweight and gravity behind it. Which is why Big John McCarthy explained it as the 12-6 perpendicular to the floor elbow as illegal.

I already adressed this point which you seemed to ignore. I admit, having your body weight behind a downward elbow point strike would make a bit of difference. But this would only happen with a kneeling opponent most likely. At which point, the rules would state that you can't use downward elbow strikes to a kneeling opponent.

But the rules don't state that. Nor do they state anything about a 12 to 6 positioning. As other UFC rules show, if certain positioning effects the rules..... the verbage is included in the rules.

The rule is there because they likely feel the downward elbow point strikes are too dangerous and/or too much of an advantage. Sort of like small join manipulation.... or is that allowed when the violator is parallel to the floor and mounted?

JamesArk · 05-17-2008, 04:10 PM

The elbows were illegal, I don't know how people can call them clean.

The rule is

"10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. "

"using the point of the elbow."

As in, the point of the elbow on the bottom of your fucking elbow. It doesn't matter if you're lying on your back delivering it parallel, as long as you're using the the same motion and delivering the same blow, it's fucking illegal.

Behold the following paint diagram and bask at how something illegal, turned 90 degrees, IS STILL ILLEGAL.

SmokyMtMan · 05-17-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Blade

Not this shit again. He got warned for the back of the head shots and the actual downward elbow strikes were legal.

The elbows thrown were legal, I agree, but where the elbows landed is CLEARLY illegal.

There really is no argument, the pictures don't lie. Anything to the back of the head is illegal.

It's all fairly simple. Kenflo broke the rules, and got away with it.

Iron Blade · 05-17-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesArk

The elbows were illegal, I don't know how people can call them clean.

The rule is

"10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. "

"using the point of the elbow."

As in, the point of the elbow on the bottom of your fucking elbow. It doesn't matter if you're lying on your back delivering it parallel, as long as you're using the the same motion and delivering the same blow, it's fucking illegal.

Behold the following paint diagram and bask at how something illegal, turned 90 degrees, IS STILL ILLEGAL.

The strikes are only illegal coming downward from a fighter on top. Jesus christ, can't you people use your brains and understand why THAT would be illegal and not the strikes Florian threw.