[Mrs. Garrett]

Originally Posted by Nigorache

The emphasis should be on downward, meaning towards the ground. The rule only makes the strike illegal if both conditions are met, meaning downward elbow strikes not using the point of the elbow are legal and elbow strikes using the point of the elbow but not thrown in a downward direction are legal. Elbows to the back of the head are not however.

Incorrect. Does that mean an uppercut ceases to be an uppercut if a combatant throws it from his back? The answer is an obvious no.

Elbow point strikes in a hook motion (sideways/sweeping) and uppercut (upwards) are legal. Downwards (downwards) elbow point strikes however are ILLEGAL. The strike does not depend upon the configuration of the combatants in the ring.

The 12 to 6 explanation, refers to how the elbow travels in relation to the users body.... not the venue.

[Mrs. Garrett]

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[SuperSuperRambo]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

Illegal elbows, broke rule 9 and 10.

Big John has said repeatedly that a downward elbow is not relative to the body, but relative to the ground. The illegal strike is an elbow where you spike it downward with gravity on your side. If you make the exact same motion, but horizontally, it ceased to be an illegal strike.

[SuperSuperRambo]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

Incorrect. Does that mean an uppercut ceases to be an uppercut if a combatant throws it from his back? The answer is an obvious no.

Elbow point strikes in a hook motion (sideways/sweeping) and uppercut (upwards) are legal. Downwards (downwards) elbow point strikes however are ILLEGAL. The strike does not depend upon the configuration of the combatants in the ring.

The 12 to 6 explanation, refers to how the elbow travels in relation to the users body.... not the venue.

It's semantics and there is a difference. We're talking about technicalities here, and the ruling by referees is that it's ceiling to floor. By your definition, yes, if you do it on the side, it's the same strike. But that's not the definition that the rules use, so you're wrong. The position of the fighters DOES matter. Maybe you think that's not how it should be, but regardless, that's what the rule means, and it's been explained several times.

[RichardZFanatic]

Originally Posted by EclipsedAgent

Looked parallel to the ground to me.. that isn't downward.

They were on the top of the head and not to the spine or the back of the head.

STFU, the giant cut on the back of Lauzon's skull left no doubt in anyone's mind that the elbows were to the back of the head. You've been listening to too much biased UFC commentary.

[BehindTheLight]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrett

I am amazed to see the UFC allow their poster boys blatantly cheat.

Kenny Florian was allowed to break two of the UFC rules early in the match.

9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.

Florian took a page out of Anderson Silva's book and decided to unleash illegal elbows while getting mounted. Florian even managed to land a few in the back of the head causing serious damage. Herb Dean eventually stopped the action and gave Florian a warning for striking to the back of the head..... but the back of Lauzon's head was already turned into ground beef at that point.

Pretty sickening. The UFC doesn't need to protect their poster boys or their investments. The most appealing part of the sport is the unpredictability. Not the fighters. There is no need to abandon the rules to help Florian and Silva escape potentially harmful situations. It's that type of thinking that has sunk the NBA. The NBA turned cheating for their stars into an artform..... and the sport has dropped like a rock ever since.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

Fucking crybaby.

[RichardZFanatic]

Originally Posted by BehindTheLight

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

Fucking crybaby.

Classic example of a nuthugger. Take a fighter who has never really earned his wins (Din injured himself, Lauzon recieved elbows to the back of his head, and Kenny has to rely on trying to cut his opponent to win) and defend him without using any logical arguement, and instead lays on the shift key and uses expletives to back up the fighter, and you've got somebody who sucks a little too much dick.

[supertrucker]

[quote=Iron Blade;23063078]Hey fool, Herb didn't call shit on his elbows, it was the strikes to the back of the head that got him a warning.

and do you, and all the other Ken Flo haters understand that he's only won ONE pro fight due to a cut due to an elbow.[/QUOTE
hey jack ass the strikes to the back of the head were elbows stupid shit and maybe he's only won one pro fight but he give everyone the idea he was some kind of bad ass because of that one win and hater no I do think he's a decsent fighter but like I said win a fight agianst a legit top teir fighter and not win by some kind of fluke of a knee blowout opponet gasses because of altitude I mean honestly what or who has he fought that has had good ground and stand up who has he fought that was or is a top teir fighter kit cope cmon man I want to give every fighter props for doing what they do because its not an easy thing to do I just do not like arrogant fighters who get so much praise for not doing anything but getting lucky if din wouldn't have blew his knee out and he would have still won I would say he has been tested some but until then he can take a back seat to huerta for all im concerned.

[supertrucker]

[quote=Iron Blade;23063078]Hey fool, Herb didn't call shit on his elbows, it was the strikes to the back of the head that got him a warning.

and do you, and all the other Ken Flo haters understand that he's only won ONE pro fight due to a cut due to an elbow.[/QUOTE
hey jack ass the strikes to the back of the head were elbows stupid shit and maybe he's only won one pro fight but he give everyone the idea he was some kind of bad ass because of that one win and hater no I do think he's a decsent fighter but like I said win a fight agianst a legit top teir fighter and not win by some kind of fluke of a knee blowout opponet gasses because of altitude I mean honestly what or who has he fought that has had good ground and stand up who has he fought that was or is a top teir fighter kit cope cmon man I want to give every fighter props for doing what they do because its not an easy thing to do I just do not like arrogant fighters who get so much praise for not doing anything but getting lucky if din wouldn't have blew his knee out and he would have still won I would say he has been tested some but until then he can take a back seat to huerta for all im concerned.

[SJP_SevenLaker]

Lauzon did it to Cole Miller on the show.

He had it coming.