[Mrs. Garrett]

I am amazed to see the UFC allow their poster boys blatantly cheat.

Kenny Florian was allowed to break two of the UFC rules early in the match.

9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.

Florian took a page out of Anderson Silva's book and decided to unleash illegal elbows while getting mounted. Florian even managed to land a few in the back of the head causing serious damage. Herb Dean eventually stopped the action and gave Florian a warning for striking to the back of the head..... but the back of Lauzon's head was already turned into ground beef at that point.

Pretty sickening. The UFC doesn't need to protect their poster boys or their investments. The most appealing part of the sport is the unpredictability. Not the fighters. There is no need to abandon the rules to help Florian and Silva escape potentially harmful situations. It's that type of thinking that has sunk the NBA. The NBA turned cheating for their stars into an artform..... and the sport has dropped like a rock ever since.

[EclipsedAgent]

Looked parallel to the ground to me.. that isn't downward.

They were on the top of the head and not to the spine or the back of the head.

[PureBreed]

your a little late on this one, and theres already tons of threads with gifs about it

[Wilt]

The elbows weren't 12 to 6...

And as far as the spine attacks, I didn't see anything like that.

[TUFn00b]

The back of the head was hit (people will argue it wasn't the dangerous part that the rule is supposed to protect, but it was still an illegal hit nonetheless), but the direction of the elbows has consistently been supported by UFC refs. "Downward pointing elbows" assumes elbows striking at a 12:00 - 6:00 position, perpendicular to the ground.

[Mrs. Garrett]

The rules say nothing about 12 to 6. Why the standing positions would matter seems quite inconsequential.

First of all, think about how a unspoken 12 to 6 positioning rule would occur. If the downward elbow point strikes were only illegal when the fighter is perfectly perpendicular to the mat.... that would hardly ever happen. I can only think of two occurences were it would: if the violator was being carried around by his opponent or if the opponent is kneeling down.

Personally, I think standing or grounded..... using the point of the elbow as a weapon is just as unfair. It's not like the point of the elbow becomes much less of an advantage without the violators full body weight, which would not occur being carried.

Call me crazy but the rule would state it as such if it was part of the rules. It doesn't.

It says striking downward using the point of the elbow is illegal.

The snake oil salesmen can spin all they want. I would expect nothing less from the Dana White administration.


I would like to see fighters expose the hypocrisy. If Silva and Florian can prevent opponents from mounting them by using downward elbow points..... why not everybody else? The reality is they would treat the situation just like they did with Lesnar and cheat for their guy regradless.

[dream2pride]

KenFlo and J-Lau are TUF promoted trash that would never be aloud in or standing outside a DREAM or PRIDE arena. Bukyung Jung would submit both of these clowns.

[JerodR]

People will say the back of the head wasn't hit... lol There has been a ton of threads on this and even when a picture is shown with a cut on the back of his head you still get people argueing.

[NeelyWCU]

They really need to figure that rule out...remember Jarred Rollins throwing those elbows at Koppenhaven? those were fucking brutal...and no one knew if they were legal or not

im surprised more people dont use this from the guard when they have a guy on top of them with his head burried in there chest....trying to ground and pound...its sittin there to get destroyed...i never really even thought about it till after seeing that Rollins fight

they need to figure out whats allowed and whats not in that position, cause the two people ive seen really do it, Rollins and Florian, have opened disgusting cuts on the top of peoples heads...not enough to stop a fight, but with all that blood lost its a pretty big deal

[NeelyWCU]

thats right, Anderson Silva did it on Lutter too...i know its parallel to the ground...but its kind of the same thing as coming down, due to the fighter being on his back in this case, isnt it?