Here is the basic flaw of the 10/9 must system

cooks1 · 11-29-2009, 08:38 PM

Here is the basic Flaw of the 10-9 Must system:

Rd 1: Fighter A and B fight a VERY, VERY close first round. It could have gone either way. ALL 3 judges give it to fighter A.

Rd 2: Fighter B pretty much mops the floor with Fighter A this round. A DOMINANT round, but not so dominant as to warrant a 10-8. All 3 judges give it 10-9 fo Fighter B.

Everyone knows Fighter B is winning the fight at this point, but on all 3 cards it is a draw.

The current 10/9 must system rates a dominant round in the exact same way it rates a very competitive round.

BJJ Blackbelt · 11-29-2009, 08:39 PM

That is the truth my friend

Balli · 11-29-2009, 08:42 PM

Man, I can't believe no one else ever thought of this. TS is truly a genius.

surge_factor · 11-29-2009, 08:43 PM

The other flaw is that 10-8 rounds are inherently rare in MMA because in order for one to happen, one fighter would theoretically either have to be:

A) Laid on the whole round and completely positionally dominated without the ref standing them up

or

B) Beaten within an inch of his life in such a dominating fashion that the judges have no choice but to award a 10-8, but not beat so badly that the ref stops it.

Scenario B is the real killer, because it's pretty much impossible in MMA to beat a guy so bad for 5 straight minutes that you deserve a 10-8 round without the ref just saying 'okay he's had enough' and stopping it.

PMan · 11-29-2009, 08:44 PM

im not an expert but what if both fighters lose a point due to an infraction like fighter A knees B's face while B is on the ground and then later in the round fighter B grabs the cage one to many times? whats the scoring in a 10 must system? i know its a little off topic but a legit question none the less right?

Nopride · 11-29-2009, 08:47 PM

It is stupid because if you get a point taken away you lose the round no matter how badly you were beating the other fighter.

seanjackson!!! · 11-29-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cooks1

Here is the basic Flaw of the 10-9 Must system:

Rd 1: Fighter A and B fight a VERY, VERY close first round. It could have gone either way. ALL 3 judges give it to fighter A.

Rd 2: Fighter B pretty much mops the floor with Fighter A this round. A DOMINANT round, but not so dominant as to warrant a 10-8. All 3 judges give it 10-9 fo Fighter B.

Everyone knows Fighter B is winning the fight at this point, but on all 3 cards it is a draw.

The current 10/9 must system rates a dominant round in the exact same way it rates a very competitive round.

no, it clearly doesn't as, Vera kicked the shit out of Randy, almost ktfo and he still was losing 30/27 on one judges score cards. How outrageous. It makes sense for boxing but, the judging is out of control. CLose rounds favors a champion. This is why SHogun lost. He didn't deserve the title. Vera did deserve the win but, he lacked finish, a fight he could have ended. Tito gave up a full round. He deserved the win but again, a judge scored an entire fight 30/27 Forrest which is quite outrageous.

w0rM · 11-29-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cooks1

Here is the basic Flaw of the 10-9 Must system:

There is no such thing as a 10-9 must system. It's a 10 point must system.

Yes, we know what you mean that almost all rounds are scored 10-9. But it's not written into the rules that a round must be scored 10-9 or less.

Perhaps judges simply need to be just slightly more liberal with their use of 10-10 rounds.

new_mexico1 · 11-29-2009, 08:52 PM

Round 1: 10-10

Round 2: 10-9 or 10-8 for fighter B

Fighter B wins 20-19 or 20-18

judges don't award enough 10-10 or 10-8 rounds. That is a problem with the judges and not the system. The system is there to be used properly

**Gigaton Punch** · 11-29-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by seanjackson!!!

no, it clearly doesn't as, Vera kicked the shit out of Randy, almost ktfo and he still was losing 30/27 on one judges score cards. How outrageous. It makes sense for boxing but, the judging is out of control. CLose rounds favors a champion. This is why SHogun lost. He didn't deserve the title. Vera did deserve the win but, he lacked finish, a fight he could have ended. Tito gave up a full round. He deserved the win but again, a judge scored an entire fight 30/27 Forrest which is quite outrageous.

Couture won 29/28 (10-9, 9-10, 10-9) on all 3 scorecards.

BTW, dropping somebody with a bodyshot is not almost having them ktfo.