*********HDNET Fights Poll Over (5-27-08) "We Deed it Mayne"********

[Jmend255]

Jericho Fan:

I WILL NO DOUBT BE BANNED FROM THE EMPTY THREAD FOR SAYING THIS BUT ..... I GIVE UP. I JUST DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR ENERGY TO FIGHT THIS BATTLE.

LET THEM HAVE THIS ONE AND WE WILL GET THEM IF THERE IS A NEXT TIME.

LOL!

[pringlescanopen]

Originally Posted by Reasonable

Bah. Sounds like awesome strategic voting to me. The Scifi folks may be paranoid when they're not winning, but you sure couldn't call 'em stupid. I love it. Do you really think Dan Rather's Reports has more active internet voters than Lost? :p Hrm. Where did all of Dan's voters come from?

That's what happens when it's not a single vote but a tournament vote.

I don't mind so much, all of the scifi shows on that list combined still aren't near most of the other shows in popularity (nor are we, 7th seed), so they needed the edge. Perfectly legit and you see it in real politics all the time. It's why the US is so ingrained into a 2-party system. Because by voting for the 3rd party, which will not win in the current election, you give up your ability to choose between the two bigger parties and that vote *does* count. So you see people voting for the lesser of two evils. Or, you see this in sports runs for the playoffs. Sometimes teams are in a position that, by losing a game, they can face and easier team in the playoffs. It's dirty in sports, because sports are supposed to be competitive. It should never be an advantage to lose. But, in voting patterns, my opinion is that it's dumb *not* to vote strategically.

Trivia: For "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" in Russia, when you ask the audience for help, they try to get you to fuck up. (Not relevant, but funny!).

And yeah, I think you're conservative in saying only 10-20k of our votes are individuals. There's maybe ten people who've voted a lot, maybe 50 or 60 who've bothered to clear their cache a handful of times before leaving. And even then, many only bothered to post when prizes were up for grabs. Ditto on their forums I'd say. Even though it looks like "OMFG *everyone* is re-voting", only a tiny percentage of people are willing to camp out and drudge the votes, and in the end they're insignificant.

What was significant was everyone going to the other forums and letting them know, getting out to the gyms and clubs and the email lists and the other countries.

Our big push came from the pre-fight (~12,000), the post-fight (~25,000), and Forum Day (most of the rest).

We'll get one more big push tomorrow probably, from the casual catch-up fans, as everyone comes home from the weekend, checks their email, hits the gym, and read up on what they missed.

If the gap starts to close in the next few days, we'll just have to make another call for people to extend their social network. Especially in places that HDNet Fights is popular, but aren't English. A half-dozen translators posting why the poll is important, and foom. The bottom line is that we're a larger fanbase that's just as active, by necessity, because fights aren't a regular thing quite yet. So we'll win no matter what.

QFT again

[pringlescanopen]

Originally Posted by Paul L

Hah, here's a great quote from their forums from someone emailing the site webmaster to complain...

I think it's the other way around.

haha yup. UFC84 completely wrecked them.

[Oldboy]

65% HDnet Fights
35% Jericho

suck it Jericho-holics. MMA wins

[Reasonable]

Heh.

UFC 84 wrecked Jericho like it wrecked Jardine. A bad event for 7-letter names starting in J. Actually, that's not fair. Jardine got dropped cold in 30 seconds, Jericho rallied in the 2nd round before gassing and getting shitkicked in the 3rd. It's all about conditioning

It's not like both groups weren't in top form though. If this poll had gone two weeks from now, I think it would be a lot closer a race. But then again, if Jericho hadn't just been canceled the second time, would their fans be riled up at all and doggedly fighting this? I'm glad the vote happened when it did, it most accurately reflects the passion of both memberships this way.

That little troll complaining about the vote was just looking for attention: "I'm voting around 4-5 times a minute, just found out i could mass vote so i've been going hard at it for almost an hour lol." ... and then... "It's official, their whole board is multiple voting. I'm sending a complaint."

Waah waah. He was fully supportive of playing the cookie monster and accepting the truth of Jericho as #1, but suddenly cheating is wrong and online polls are useless and skewed and unreliable because they allow individuals to cheat when Jericho is losing fair and square. Boo hoo.

Everyone else on both forums pretty much acknowledges this was a fair fight, and the effect of re-voters was minimal in any case. It's not like there were 1000 votes and a few individuals on each board influenced the results. We're talking 75,000 votes, and a 2:1 margin one way. Case closed.

This is the kind of stupid whiny shit that discredits the hard work that the other Jericho fans put in.

Keep getting the vote out people. Make sure everyone who loves fights gets out and casts a vote!

[Chagrin]

My support in the form of a vote.

[Fanu]

voted for HDNET fights

even tho i am from croatia and dont even get to watch that organization (unless over some crappy internet stream)

i'll take MMA over some crappy cancelled tv series any day of the week..

[Yarennnoka]

I complained to TVPredictions, rofl and got a response! - SCI FI FORUMS

RE: Complaint; Major flaws in the voting system.‏
From: swanni (swann@tvpredictions.com)
Sent: Monday, 26 May 2008 7:36:21 AM
To: 'Blake Knight' (breakingbonesblake@hotmail.com)

Thanks…swanni



From: Blake Knight [mailto:breakingbonesblake@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:27 AM
To: swann@tvpredictions.com
Subject: Complaint; Major flaws in the voting system.



As you may know the HDTV poll has been getting alot of activity and by that i mean the amount of abuse the system is taking, votes going up by 10-20 every second? that's abit unbelievable since both fan bases only have around 20,000 fans each if i'm correct and only 1/3 of them being active.

I investigated rumours of both sides abusing the system and was only conclusive when i found information on the HDNet Fights Fan Forum that they were infact misusing internet explorer functions to get the upper gain on the polls.

Turns out that several members of the HDNet fan base were infact using either 3rd party programs or IE logics to decieve the system and gain on Jericho, a large portion of the MMA fans were teaching one another how to clear cookies and refresh pages to hijack the system.

So i thought "I wonder how i could or infact Swann could fix the dilemma" only to find that the situation could be solved unless the poll was reset with a new poll system, so i looked around some more and turns out that CAPTCHA a bot detecting software that forces human users to enter an italic-wavey word or numbers to achieve human status due to computers not being able to read the subject and along with that the voting system used by TVPredictions isn't IP based so users can still decieve the system again and again.

To sum this complaint up i think it would be in the best interests of you to use CAPTCHA and some form of IP checking software to make your poll results reasonably correct, as i read earlier your polls are used by all forms of media and i'm not quite sure if highly incorrect facts (polls) were used in articles for reasons beyond my knowledge.

Thanks for your time.

Dude cried to TVPredictions and got pwned by their reply...
And, the fact that this guy would post his personal info just shows the nature of their board versus ours. Its one thing to lose, its another thing to lose, cry, write in to complain in an attempt to discredit our victory, and then post copy of the email is just ghey. Pathetic. When its all said and done, there will be only one thing to say....SCOREBOARD!!

(And, Blake Knight, no one likes snitches...)

[Reasonable]

Yarennoka - That's the same guy that was telling everyone to clear cookies earlier and talking about how he'd been powervoting for an hour. Whiny little baby. Guy's probably like, 13 years old, acting like a 5 year old, trying to disguise himself as an adult.

Also, he's not tattling. Tattling is when you spill the beans. He's inventing the beans. 10-20 votes a second? I've been watching carefully, and the most I've seen on a refresh, which takes about 3 seconds, is a jump of 4, and that was actually when 3 of theirs and one of ours got scored. That's just over one per second, not 10-20 votes per second. Do the math on that. That's 72,000 votes in ONE HOUR. Gee, we don't even have 50,000 votes after 4 days. Assclown.

He investigated IE exploits and found us trying to use them to gain the upper hand? Yeah, investigated. Did he investigate where we found out about those exploits? Like, from the Jericho forums telling people to use them? Was his "I've been voting for the last hour lol" part of his "investigation"?

We were in fact using 3rd party programs? Umm, I think not. I think: A - the poll randomized order, so a bot would just add votes to both sides, and B - one person joked about this and was promptly told no, we were going to do this legit. I mean, voting patterns have *perfectly* replicated forum activity on a fight weekend. That's a little coincidental to be a "bot", no?

We've even been discouraging multiple voting since the rush hit. Something they were still frantically engaged in. What a dipshit.

Any other day of the week, a guy with the username "breakingbonesblake" would be a whitebelt here on our forums talking about how Machida only wins because he runs away, how GSP sucks, or how ultimate fighting is boring if a TUF dropout doesn't score a knockout in 10 seconds because that's what real fighting is. Yet somehow.. the Jericho fans got stuck having to deal with his idiocy instead of us.

First their show gets cancelled, then they lose this poll, now they have this hypocritical idiot running around making them look as dumb as he is. Fecking Jericho fans just can't catch a break lately.

[Fanu]

jesus christ at their whining

most absurd thing i read on that sci-fi forum is that mma fanbase is some 20-30.000 large

yeah right, sherdog alone has 153,273 members - take into account other MMA forums (and there are number of them that are popular and large enough) and compare it to fucking fanbase of cancelled series...

yeah, if they are losing to community that counts millions over internet alone it must be cheating...