GSP vs. TOP 5 guys: Read this if you are new to the sport

[YoungLiar]

Originally Posted by Canned

For the record, Fedor has 4:
Big Nog X 2, Cro Cop, Sylvia.

A. Silva has 3:
Franklin X 2, Hendo

Chuck? No. (other top LHW were in Pride)
Shogun? No. (he has 3: Rampage, Lil Nog, Arona)

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You can add Marquardt and Sakurai to Anderson's list.

You can maybe add Herring to Fedor's list.

How many would Hughes have?
GSP, Sakurai, Newton (x2)?, Trigg, Sean Sherk, BJ Penn

[Boagrius]

You must have been watching a different fight than me and Fight Metric :

GSP-Penn

To be honest I don't think the fight metric stats really support your position (which, I take it, is that GSP did not beat BJ?) I think you have to put the fight-metric stats in context.

- Under their own scoring system, fight metric rule the fight a draw, but under UFC scoring they gave the fight to GSP two rounds to one.

- The reason for this is that the fight metric scoring system factored the damage BJ caused in Rd1 into the scoring for the last two rounds. The UFC, however, scores each round in isolation, hence giving the fight to GSP based on the fact that in the last two rounds GSP landed more shots in the standup whilst taking little to no additional damage and of course landed his takedowns and some modest GnP.

- It is worth pointing out that GSP actually landed more strikes than BJ in all three rounds, but BJ nonethless rightly took the first based (mostly) on damage.

[TeamTanner]

Originally Posted by Boagrius

To be honest I don't think the fight metric stats really support your position (which, I take it, is that GSP did not beat BJ?) I think you have to put the fight-metric stats in context.

The point was that GSP didn't DOMINATE. Go back and look at the original message that I was responding to.

[Jacare Jackson]

Originally Posted by kanuks

Ok... so here was your argument :

"I don't think GSP is overrated. I love the guy.

BUT

Fedor has way more than five victories over top ten comp.

Aside from youir four,

Mark Hunt was top ten (beat Mirko a year ago)
Heath Herring... "

Mark hunt was never top 5 same for Herring.

Hunt was top five. He had beaten Cro Cop a year before that and I had seen him ranked in the top five. When Fedor beat Herring, Herring was Pride's number two guy. Most definitely top five in that case.

[Disco]

I think GSP is overrated in p4p status. He is often ranked #3 or #4 and I don't think he deserves that with his loss to Serra only 4 fights ago.

Also please notice my sig, GSP is one of my favourite fighters out there. Easily the best WW and has the potential to dominate the division for a long time.

[Jacare Jackson]

Originally Posted by Canned

Correct.

Incorrect.

People have their opinions on Hunt, but the fact is that he was definitely ranked top five in sites at the time of the Fedorfight.

And if you don't think Heath Herring was top five when Fedor beat him then all that tells me is you haven't watched MMA for very long.

[Jacare Jackson]

Originally Posted by dustinst22

I think the OP was comparing top 5 competition, not top 10.

This is the problem with not reading an entire thread before posting. You're not the only culprit and I can't foresee it changing on this board.

Yes, what you said has been pointed out and I did misunderstand the topic. However, the guys I listed were also incidentally top five so the argument stood.

To bring you up to speed, right now I'm pointing out that if you weren't aware of Herring being top five when Fedor beat him than you haven't watched MMA long.

Which is ironic, because the point of the ts post was to educate new fans about GSP's record. Perhaps someone should educate him about an organization that existed overseas for about ten years.

[IfHeDiesHeDies]

Originally Posted by asuop

Pele and Busta as top 5 LHW's? I don't think Randleman or Overeem were top 5 either. Maybe top 10 though. Chuck has a very impressive resume, but I still don't think you can top 7 top 5 wins. If you go with top 10 wins, then he may have the best resume.

I think you are right, statistically speaking. I also think it is hard to quantify some of Chuck's big wins because they pre-date solidified weight divisions. GSP's big wins have all come in the "modern-era" of concrete weight divisions. Chuck was fighting in UFC 17(or somethin like that). The problem SOME people have w/the TS statements is that he COMPLETELY brushes off Liddell's accomplishments by saying ALL the top-5 LHWs were in Pride? Just look at his record and the dates in which he fought some of these guys. Where was Pele ranked in 98? Where were Randleman/Bustamante ranked in 01? Were were Vitor and Babalu ranked in 02? Where was Tito ranked in 04? He beat Randy for the LHW title in 05 but I guess Randy wasn't in the top-5 then either because he wasn't in Pride? Who were those 5 guys that out-ranked him?

[oatmeal]

GSP is amazing, but this logic is flawed for one main reason: Pride did not have a 170 pound talent pool whatsoever. I could be wrong, so don't go nuts if I am, but I'm not sure they even had a 170 pound class (just a bigger LW division right?). So it was easier for GSP to consistently fight top 10 or top 5 opponents than other fighters since the talent at the other weight classes was so dispersed. So I'm not arguing anything like "GSP sucks" or that he isn't as good as you guys make him out to be, but understand that the basic numbers game made it easier to get better fights. He still had to win them though, so he's a beast.

[1whoknows]

Originally Posted by TeamTanner

No, actually people do care and here's why :



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In a similar vein, the FightMetric system is designed to focus analysis only on the techniques and situations that truly matter in ending fights. By discarding cosmetically different occurrences (like measuring punches versus kicks) in favor of those factors that actually contribute to fight endings (like measuring head strikes versus body strikes), we can arrive at a clearer picture of a fighter's performance. And with that, we can open the door to a whole new method of analyzing fights and fighters; one rooted in data and demonstrated effectiveness rather than in gut feelings and bandwagon jumping.

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I see you are on the fight-metric bandwagon-or payroll. Statistics can always be interpreted many ways and will never be conclusive, UFC criteria >fight-metric,