Elbows to a downed opponent's head, statistics

[Ed Gein]

Excellent post, people need to stop bitching and look at those stats

[Michael CC!!]

The elbow KO on TapOut was sick!!!! Yayy for elbows.

[Zeke's Chaingun]

I think the statistic expose the argument that elbows are always ending fights prematurely though. The haters on here were almost convincing me that they stopped too many fights until I realized just how small that number was. I bet most people were the same way. They didn't realize just how few fights actually get stopped because of a cut caused by an elbow strike. Hell, I can't even recall the last time. Stevenson/Edwards?

[AkebonoBoner]

you have done well son

[jrush420]

Im glad u brought these stats to light... I beleive the "banning elbows in MMA" beleif is bullshit, its a legit way to win, if randy couture started cuttin people up and stopping fights there would be no question... when it was in question is when the crow started chopping people up, why cuz hes canadian and americans dont like canadians.... Now hear me out, im not calling work on the crow vs franklin fight, alll im sayin is why did he now use one of his trademark elbows til the 4th round and if u watch it when he does franklin looks at him like u goof u werent supposed to do that.... i think dana told lousieau not to use his elbows on the pretty boy of the ufc and that effected the outcome of the fight .... I think the whole theory is bs that there are too many stoppages... and im glad u finally gave the evidence that i wanted

[LeNNDoZeR]

Originally Posted by Balfe

I have no problems with elbows on the ground. Soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent are bones of contention though. Honestly, I'm happy with the current set of UFC rules.

Nice post, well researched sir.

I'm not the current rules give to much of an advantage to the wrestler and limits the striker.

[jrush420]

[quote=galathrax;15902183]This isn't entirely accurate...

The Crow threw 'bos with the intent of ending fights. They looked nasty as hell.

KenFlo through little panzy 'bos, and only his incredibly bony structure allowed him to cut his opponents. He usually was losing his fight before he cut his opponent as well.

QUOTE]

How many fights have u seen ended in a punch or kick KO when the person was llosing, its just a fact that striking can end the fight at any time in any position... Is it wrong that the person threw an elbow instead of a kick or punch, no cuz the rules allowed it and they should allow it, its MMA not fuckin cookie baking with martha stewart, what happened to "Vale Tudo"... MMA is where it is today because of elbows, noone complains about Tito dropping elbows on shamrock and knocking him out... Just because Tito doesnt have the talent to cut people visciously why are his elbows accepted and the crows viscious slicer elbows get shit talked..

[cavman]

[quote=galathrax;15902183]This isn't entirely accurate...

The Crow threw 'bos with the intent of ending fights. They looked nasty as hell.

KenFlo through little panzy 'bos, and only his incredibly bony structure allowed him to cut his opponents. He usually was losing his fight before he cut his opponent as well.QUOTE]

Yes that is true but are we going to allow bone structure to set the rules. Certain body types always have an advantage as does training. A mesomorph(athletic build) who is untrained would lose most af the time to a trained ectomorph(skinny) or endomorpph(fat) despite body type. Also some guys are better fighters than others despite body type.

[LiverpoolJim]

but, how many of those fughts were boring as FUCK lnp shit? 85%?

[davidf]

[quote=eworden78;15901801]Yeah I don't have answer for that.

It's really hard to draw a line on legal techniques.
A fight should:

Provide entertainment to fans
Showcase athleticism and technique
Allow creativity in their technique
Provide a safe venue for athletes to compete


I agree. How does a sanctioning body or a mma organization strike that balance? Good debate on this today guys. I'm out for the day but I will check tomorrow to see how it winds down.

I will give my tentative opinion. Knees standing (or flying) would seem just as dangerous as the same technique to a downed opponent. The same for elbows. Remember we are not talking about an unconsious or defensless fighter here. Knees IN, Elbows IN. Stomps and soccer kicks...again, to a downed but game fighter the question for me would be fighter safety. I think what I'd base the opinion on is that the soccer kick or stomp to the temporal region (the likely available target) to a downed and likely compromised fighter could be deadly. SK's and Stomps to the head of a downed fighter OUT. I'm not a puss. I just think that the sport has more to lose than gain from kicks to the head of a downed fighter. I understand the premise for including them and I respect that opinion....but I do not totaly agree.