Elbows to a downed opponent's head, statistics - Page 21

machadojj · 06-21-2007, 02:37 PM

I hardly think the data regarding the percentage of fights stopped by elbows is relevant. Rather, the percentage of fights stopped that were stopped by elbows. Then we would be getting any valid conclusions. By the way, I consider 4% a pretty significant percentage. I wouldn't want to see a dumb stoppage to cut in 1 of every 20 fights. That would be one guaranteed disappointment every 2/3 events.

06-21-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brocktoon

If you get a cut its your own fault for having pussy skin.

funny, all the fighters should go to the tanning salon as part of their training to get their skin all tough and leathery, no but seriously folks i would like to see knees on the ground

Dorkman · 06-21-2007, 02:41 PM

Ive been preching the same story, but was just to lazy to make it into a thread.Well done.Keep elbows, and bring in knees to a downed opponent, and I think that will be the best product without looking to vicious for the commision.soccer kicks, and stomps just look to savage for them to ever be sanctioned.

dan42183 · 06-21-2007, 02:41 PM

This is the best whitebelt first post I have read since I became a member, VERY good job dude.

Canajun eh? · 06-21-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by |TongPo|

Wasn't that nasty cut the Vitor put on Eastman from a knee?

That cut WAS form a knee, however, the fight was ended due to TKO, not because of the cut.

Dorkman · 06-21-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by machadojj

I hardly think the data regarding the percentage of fights stopped by elbows is relevant. Rather, the percentage of fights stopped that were stopped by elbows. Then we would be getting any valid conclusions. By the way, I consider 4% a pretty significant percentage. I wouldn't want to see a dumb stoppage to cut in 1 of every 20 fights. That would be one guaranteed disappointment every 2/3 events.

the only time I'd ever consider it a disappointment was if it happened in the first minute.Which it dosen't.it would be no different than any other injury in the first minute.The point is, its an injury.And they have to be protected.The only time cuts ussually happen are when some Vicious GnP is being layed.Which means it won't be dissapointing.I have no problems with cuts stopping a fight.I'm not trying to say your wrong bud.Just shedding my side of the opinion.

projectchapter2 · 06-21-2007, 02:49 PM

Solid stats and argument. This is not the only side though, because fights continue with cuts as well. Hey, but lots of those cuts come from knees or punches.

I just think people whine about elbows because they want their stomps, knees on the ground and kicks backs. I would like all of it to be there.

DearyLeary · 06-21-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke's Chaingun

If a fighter is landing elbows then he doesn't need to improve his position, the guy on bottom does. If the fighter on top is doing nothing (ie NOT throwing elbows enough) then the fight gets restarted.

It's amusing that nearly ALL of the arguments against elbows was disputed in this thread, and now suddenly the argument against elbows almost unanimously changing into something else. Just admit it people, you just want to hate on the UFC rules.

I've always maintained that I want rules to be conducive to exciting fights. Watching someone sit in guard dropping elbows is a snore, sorry to burst your bubble. The only time you see elbows from the guard ending a fight is in a Shamrock vs. Ortiz fight. Elbows from guard invariably lead to a boring fight.

It doesn't allow for an active guard, it doesn't allow for sweeps, you're right, why would a fighter try to improve their position? That's why I want elbows from the guard out, because it's boring and rarely ends a fight other than a cut. I want to see fighters in top position working to finish their opponent, and not squeak out decisions.

I liked the yellow card rules, I also liked knees/kicks/stomps to downed opponents because it forced action and a guy couldn't just lay down waiting for someone to jump into their guard. It's not the brutality, it's simply to keep the action in a fight going. I don't want to watch Okami and Franklin circle each other for a couple rounds, just as much as I don't want to see Koscheck sit in someone's guard for rounds on end.

I watch UFC events along with everybody else, I think that they would benefit greatly in taking elbows on the ground out because the fights would be more exciting and you woudln't hear as many boos from the crowd. You would see more submissions, and more exciting GnP. You would also see who the best wrestlers are as they would be able to control their opponents from different positions and not just from guard.

I'm a fight fan above all else, just like you.

NickNick · 06-21-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JalacoJones

The point you are missing is that fighters have to defend against the elbows as if a single one could end the fight by way of cut. Not to mention, how many have not ended a fight, but have changed the outcome of the fight because the fighter was worried about a cut becoming worse, or blood was pouring in their eyes?

Pulling stats from fightfinder to determine the impact of elbows in a fight, is no different than pulling stats from fightfinder to determine who is a better fighter.

Hey and you also have to worry about one punch, one kick, and one knee eding the fight, whats your point?

Elbows can be used to wear on fighters just like leg kicks do too.

FREE BEER! · 06-21-2007, 03:01 PM

Great post. There's a whole lot of speculation on these boards about things like this, another one is stomps and soccer kicks are too devastating to be legal. It's nice to see someone go out and gather the facts for or against an argument.

And, one of those doctor stopages was probably Randy vs. Vitor II when Vitor grazed Randy's eyelid with his glove causing a tear. Maybe we should ban punches too...