[oj205]

Originally Posted by ebeneezer

In an mma fight Timmay would simply take the gayefaker down and pummel him like he did to Wes Simms.

He'd have to take him down very quickly else he'll take a big right (or left) hand, it took Randy and Arlovski one punch to get Sylvia down cant see it taking Haye any longer.

[Slowboy]

I would love to see him into mma, I think there needs to be more boxers thinking aobut it. I like the idea that someone brought up about a fight with Anderson Silva at a catchweight.

[ebeneezer]

Originally Posted by Never_Back_Down

Haye ended up knocking Mock and Moremeck out. Boxingmath is more ridiculous than mmath

The point I was making is that Mock and Moremeck are small guys and not particularly big punchers but yet hurt and dropped Haye.

He has a terrible chin and his nutriders won't accept it.

[Kid McCoy]

Originally Posted by joetarver

who's to say he can't learn in a couple years? you said it, a "pro boxer", that means "pro work ethic" and "pro athleticism." If BJ can win mundials after 4 years of training, why is it so inconceivable that a fucking professional athlete can learn enough in a couple years to simply stop a takedown or get back to his feet if taken down?

…..I suppose because a little catch wrestling/BJJ has become the new super secret Shaolin temple mystic science of unfathomable fury.
It least in the minds of many who need a replacement fantasy after martial Arts were exposed in the early UFC’s.

Reality check – 12 to 15 months of transition sharpening coupled with the best hands MMA has ever seen and you’ll have less than half a dozen fighters at his weight who can compete with him in MMA.

Athletes with ¼ of his athletic ability and work ethic get down what they need to excel in under 4 years, so you do the math.

His biggest problem would be the massive paycut.

It won’t happen until he’s 45 and completely shot, if it ever does.

[uppercuts21]

BJ Penn got a black belt in 2 years. BJ Penn is obviously very gifted but David Haye is a freak athletically. In terms of athleticism he'd be one of the most athletic LHW/HW in MMA.

If mediocre boxers like Chris Lytle, Alessio Sakara, Marcus Davis and Jeremy Williams (above average boxer) can succeed in MMA and accumulate fantastic records im sure a much, much superior athlete can as well.

[Explict Theory]

Originally Posted by uppercuts21

BJ Penn got a black belt in 2 years. BJ Penn is obviously very gifted but David Haye is a freak athletically. In terms of athleticism he'd be one of the most athletic LHW/HW in MMA.

If mediocre boxers like Chris Lytle, Alessio Sakara, Marcus Davis and Jeremy Williams (above average boxer) can succeed in MMA and accumulate fantastic records im sure a much, much superior athlete can as well.

There's Nishijima, but he never trained MMA seriously, he just wanted to bang, but in the end they always put him on his back.

[Iranwarmachine]

Damn so being strong completely dominated having skill according to the article.

[CJLX]

Its been done before, it doesnt work.

Haye is a great boxer, very good at his art. He has all the time in the world to become a great HW boxer.

If he trains hard and puts the work in he will be a mediocre MMA fighter.

Learn from the mistakes of others and stick to what you do best.

[Explict Theory]

Originally Posted by CJLX

Its been done before, it doesnt work.

Haye is a great boxer, very good at his art. He has all the time in the world to become a great HW boxer.

If he trains hard and puts the work in he will be a mediocre MMA fighter.

Learn from the mistakes of others and stick to what you do best.

Yea a top boxer entering MMA? The last time I saw A 100 boxer practicing MMA he is doing pretty well. He is undefeated.

[uppercuts21]

Originally Posted by CJLX

Its been done before, it doesnt work.

Haye is a great boxer, very good at his art. He has all the time in the world to become a great HW boxer.

If he trains hard and puts the work in he will be a mediocre MMA fighter.

Learn from the mistakes of others and stick to what you do best.

Been done before? Yes it has and it HAS WORKED.

Why do MMA fans associate MMA with some sort of superhuman level of invincibility.

Marcus Davis, Chris Lytle, Alessio Sakara and Jeremy Williams all are former/current boxers who have amassed fantastic MMA records. Jeremy Williams is 5-0 and in his 2nd pro fight had a gogoplata on an opponent who has a pretty damn good wrestling background. He also submitted a fighter who has well over 40 fights in MMA.

Alessio Sakara, Marcus Davis and Chris Lytle were all MEDIOCRE boxers at best and Lytle and Davis currently find themselves ranked in the top 10-15 in the WORLD at WW. Not bad for a part-time fighter, full-time firefighter in Lytle and 34 year old Marcus Davis.

Do you honestly think that a guy as freakishly athletic as David Haye couldnt make the transition to MMA and be a top 10 LHW or HW? Sure it would take work in BJJ and wrestling but theres one difference between David Haye and your other aspiring MMA fighters. David Haye is an ATHLETE. A professional athlete who is more conditioned, more explosive than any of your amateur, low-mid tier pro fighters in MMA.

I never get the "oh hes a boxer, he'll get taken down and pounded" argument. Is it applicable to a few fighters? Sure. But lets remember what happened to wrestler Tommy Speer against Anthony Johnson. Tommy Speer couldnt do shit to the more ATHLETIC Anthony Johnson. And please dont tell me it was Anthony Johnson's limited wrestling background. It was his world-class athleticism. GSP was a one-dimensional fighter in his late teens. He started wrestling at the age of 21 and now at 27 is easily the best wrestler in MMA. You think GSP's takedown defense is due to his wrestling? I think its part of it. But I think its primarily due to his incredible athleticism, footwoork and quickness. Not to mention that the guy was dropping people on their heads when he was early in his career with that LIMITED wrestling background.

People need to wake up. This is isnt some high school wrestler who got cut from the football team. This is a world-class athlete. If guys like Forrest Griffin who at the age of 21 was training to be a firefighter can win TUF 3 years later and beat a guy like Shogun Rua in 2007 im sure David Haye can make as good if not a better transition than Forrest "friggin" Griffin. And im a big fan of Forrest. Nothing gets me more angry than these MMA elitists.