Dana White - Myth built off of one strike of major LUCK!

[Chi-City]

So Dana gets blamed for not signing a fighter but gets no love when one is sign. Dana gets bashed for the UFC not being on a major network but when the UFC does get a TV deal Dana had nothing to do with it. When a card sucks it's Dana's fault but when we get a great card it's Joe Silva. God you people are not thinking things out clearly Dana is a front man plan and simple he has as much power as the Fertittas alow him. As we see with the Fitch thing when they think he is overstepped himslef the put him in his place the Fertittas are the final say so and Dana just bring them ideas. People on this sight think Dana's got complete control but it's the Fertittas who run the show.

[jaykool666]

Originally Posted by lefthook449

I'm turning it around on you. I agree he shouldn't get all the credit. Why should he get all the blame for all of the shit you just typed out that i'm not going to read?

If he doesn't make the decisions that deserve credit, how can he make the decisions that get all the blame?

Because he is the reason that many of the fighters are no longer fighting in the UFC. He's the one that has made the decision to keep fighters like Jorge Gurgel and Pete Sell, but cut fighters like Jon Fitch and Cain Velasquez. He's the one refusing to agree to terms for a contract with Fedor. That all falls on him. When you see fighters like Tito Ortiz, Josh Barnett, and Bobby Hoffman say that they will never fight for the UFC as long as Dana White is the president of the company, it's pretty easy to see who gets the blame.

[Wink Binkleman]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

You've missed the whole point of my post. All I'm saying is, that if Dana is so good then why is he making mistakes in so many areas. Why should he be the only one getting credit for the success of the UFC? He got rid of fighters like Jon Fitch, Tito Ortiz, Pedro Rizzo, Tim Sylvia, Bobby Hoffman, Josh Barnett, and Renato Sobral because he had personal problems with them, not because of their perfomance or because they weren't drawing in the fans. Why did he cut Andrei Arlovski, Fabricio Werdum, and many others when they still had many good years left in the UFC and were attracting PPV buys and supercharging ticket sales? Why can't he or won't he sign fighters like Fedor, KJ, and Cung Le? I'm just pointing out that Dana isn't all everyone is cracking him up to be, and that any success that the UFC has seen is not just the work of Dana White.

Tim Sylvia wasn't a personal problem and neither was Babalu.. Tito, although I am a fan, is his own worst enemy.. I know Barnett doesn't like him, but he didn't get rid of him... he got caught using steroids.. Babalu held a choke too long.. and this is just from a cursory glance of your list.. I am sure someone can go through and pick out what other nonsense you're making up for argument's sake, but it would appear that the crux of your whole statement is based on non truths.. good job.

[CWMMA]

Originally Posted by Red Rover

Dana White would be nothing without Frank and Lorenzo's money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to promote an MMA show if you have enough money to pay top names.

Errr, why arn't you a highly successful promoter in the world then?

[lefthook449]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

Because he is the reason that many of the fighters are no longer fighting in the UFC. He's the one that has made the decision to keep fighters like Jorge Gurgel and Pete Sell, but cut fighters like Jon Fitch and Cain Velasquez. He's the one refusing to agree to terms for a contract with Fedor. That all falls on him. When you see fighters like Tito Ortiz, Josh Barnett, and Bobby Hoffman say that they will never fight for the UFC as long as Dana White is the president of the company, it's pretty easy to see who gets the blame.

So he gets all the blame for those, but no credit for signing Brock, Rampage, Cro Cop, Wandy, getting Randy back, Carwin, Machida, Shogun, Alves, etc?

And don't mention Fedor, Fedor's demands are not reasonable. When someone succeeds by meeting Fedor's demands, I'll believe that Dana fucked that one up.

[PBMMASC]

It cracks me up when someone succeeds and some internet joker calls it "luck".

[grooves12]

Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord

Again. One thing. One thing. DW came up w/ the idea for TUF. Beyond that. He hasn't done shit. I just don't believe that having one good idea (tha actually wasn't working) is grounds to consider the man a "MMA MESSIAH"

How about the fact that he talked the Fertittas into investing in the UFC when it was basically at its ultimate low in value and popularity??

How about using that money to work with athletic commissions to get it approved in the USA again after it was essentially banned??

The UFC was an underground, "bloodsport" relegated to the discount DVD aisle at the video store before Dana White took over.

Yes, the guy is a dick... but to deny the fact that he saved and built the sport of MMA into what it is today is burying your head in the sand.

[jaykool666]

Originally Posted by Wink Binkleman

Tim Sylvia wasn't a personal problem and neither was Babalu.. Tito, although I am a fan, is his own worst enemy.. I know Barnett doesn't like him, but he didn't get rid of him... he got caught using steroids.. Babalu held a choke too long.. and this is just from a cursory glance of your list.. I am sure someone can go through and pick out what other nonsense you're making up for argument's sake, but it would appear that the crux of your whole statement is based on non truths.. good job.

I agree that Tito is his own worst enemy, but he still does attract PPV buys. Babalu held a choke too long huh? Didn't BJ Penn hold the RNC on Jens Pulver a little longer after Jens tapped? Frank Mir held his submission on Antoni Hardonk for a little while too after he tapped. That kind of stuff goes on all the time in MMA, but because Babalu does it he gets cut. Dana signs a fighter like Jesse Taylor, who went on a drunken rampage during the filming of TUF. He's kept a fighter like Junie Browning on the show, but has cut others in the past for far less. Yes Barnett used roids, but so did Sherk and Franca.

[Chi-City]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

You've missed the whole point of my post. All I'm saying is, that if Dana is so good then why is he making mistakes in so many areas. Why should he be the only one getting credit for the success of the UFC? He got rid of fighters like Jon Fitch, Tito Ortiz, Pedro Rizzo, Tim Sylvia, Bobby Hoffman, Josh Barnett, and Renato Sobral because he had personal problems with them, not because of their perfomance or because they weren't drawing in the fans. Why did he cut Andrei Arlovski, Fabricio Werdum, and many others when they still had many good years left in the UFC and were attracting PPV buys and supercharging ticket sales? Why can't he or won't he sign fighters like Fedor, KJ, and Cung Le? I'm just pointing out that Dana isn't all everyone is cracking him up to be, and that any success that the UFC has seen is not just the work of Dana White.

The John Fitch thing I can't argue, AA and Werdum where under performing but i would have gave them a shot. But those other fighters are not supercharging ticket sales. If you ask any casual fan who Werdum is they say that guy that got upper cutted out of his boots not the BJJ master that we the hadrcore fans know. I know it sucks but the hard core fan brings in penuts compared to the casual fan. Also Fedor is posion for any org right now because he is so free lance and has such a high price that he'll kill many orgs untill he stays with one org. Think about it Fedor comes to your org for one fight smashes your champ then rolls out now you can't book him because he didn't pull alot of PPV numbers and your in debt.


Wait gotta put on my flame suit.

OK I'm good

[jaykool666]

Originally Posted by lefthook449

So he gets all the blame for those, but no credit for signing Brock, Rampage, Cro Cop, Wandy, getting Randy back, Carwin, Machida, Shogun, Alves, etc?

And don't mention Fedor, Fedor's demands are not reasonable. When someone succeeds by meeting Fedor's demands, I'll believe that Dana fucked that one up.

Yes he signed Brock, Rampage, Cro-Cop, Wandy, Carwin, Machida, Shogun, Alves, and he got Randy back. I'll give credit there, but it just seems to me that here lately Dana has been making more mistakes than good acquisitions. He's lost more great fighters in the last year than what he's signed.