Dana White - Myth built off of one strike of major LUCK!

[lefthook449]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

Understand one thing. Dana White is not resposible for the UFC's success. Joe Silva who books the great fights. Forrest vs. Bonnar, TUF reality series, acquisitioning WEC, and the purchase and dismantling of PRIDE and WFA was all the work of Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta. Dana White is just a foul mouthed idiot who has discarded and angered more great fighters than Don King and Bob Arum combined. Dana White takes all the credit, but gives none in return to the great fighters, the great fight cards, and the success of the reality show. Dana White has made more stupid mistakes in the past year than all other sports organizations combined. Let's add up the fighters he couldn't sign, alienated or threw away.

Fighter's angered or alienated - Randy Couture, Jon Fitch and all but one fighter in AKA, Cain Velasquez, Tim Sylvia, Mirko Cro-Cop, Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort, Andrei Arlovski, Josh Barnett, Renato Sobral, Frank Shamrock, Phil Baroni, Frank Trigg, Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith, Pedro Rizzo, Kevin Randleman, Bobby Hoffman, Carlos Newton, Murilo Bustamante, and Paul Buentello. And that's only a few fighters that are in or near the top of all of MMA.

Fighter's he can't or won't sign - Fedor Emelienenko or any other fighter with the Red Dragon Team, Alexander Emelienenko, Lil Nog, Antonio Silva, Murilo Rua, Benji Radach, Cung Le, Ben Rothwell, Roy Nelson, KJ Noons, and just about any fighter fighting in DREAM right now.

If Dana is so great and he has such a great organization then whey doesn't he have all of the best fighters?

The truth is, is that Dana White is running the UFC into the ground, and if he continues on the path that he is on right now, I think that the UFC will be in serious trouble within the next 2 years. It's already showing in the WW, MW, and HW division right now. The only stable of great champions and contenders in the UFC right now is the LW and LHW divisions. The other divisions are ruled by other organizations like M-1, K-1, DREAM, and Affliction.

How does Dana get no credit for all the good things but all of the blame for all of the bad things, this makes no fucking sense.

Make up your mind, he's either in charge or he isn't.

[jaykool666]

Originally Posted by FightCrew

You guys are a bunch of haters. What the heck do you guys know? You sit here and act tough on all these forums. The truth of the matter is that he's actually the one that put MMA into the mainstream, got sanctioning in other states, and a ton of other things. He's orchestrated practically all of it and IMO has been pretty straight up.

You have a right to your opinions. But, he's the one sitting in the office, making this shit happen. Who the hell are you?

Thanks Dana!

Again that's not Dana, it the work of the fighters, the Fertittas, and Joe Silva.

[Chi-City]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

Understand one thing. Dana White is not resposible for the UFC's success. Joe Silva who books the great fights. Forrest vs. Bonnar, TUF reality series, acquisitioning WEC, and the purchase and dismantling of PRIDE and WFA was all the work of Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta. Dana White foul mouthed idiot who has discarded and angered more great fighters than Don King and Bob Arum combined. Dana White takes all the credit, but gives none in return to the great fighters, the great fight cards, and the success of the reality show. Dana White has made more stupid mistakes in the past year than all other sports organizations combined. Let's add up the fighters he's couldn't sign, alienated or threw away.

Fighter's angered or alienated - Randy Couture, Jon Fitch, Cain Velasquez, Tim Sylvia, Mirko Cro-Cop, Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort, Andrei Arlovski, Josh Barnett, Renato Sobral, Frank Shamrock, Phil Baroni, Frank Trigg, Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith, Pedro Rizzo, Kevin Randleman, Bobby Hoffman, Carlos Newton, Murilo Bustamante, and Paul Buentello. And that's only a few fighters that are in or near the top of all of MMA.

Fighter's he can't sign - Fedor Emelienenko, Alexander Emelienenko, Lil Nog, Antonio Silva, Murilo Rua, Benji Radach, Cung Le, Ben Rothwell, Roy Nelson, KJ Noons, and just about any fighter fighting in DREAM right now.

If Dana is so great and he has such a great organization then whey doesn't he have all of the best fighters?

The truth is, is that Dana White is running the UFC into the ground, and if he continues on the path that he is on right now, I think that the UFC will be in serious trouble within the next 2 years. It's already showing in the WW, MW, and HW division right now. The only stable of great champions and contenders in the UFC right now is the LW and LHW divisions. The other divisions are ruled by other organizations like M-1, K-1, DREAM, and Affliction.

I think your mistaken WW is a lock and MW as well olny the LW and HW are in question.

[Chi-City]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

Again that's not Dana, it the work of the fighters, the Fertittas, and Joe Silva.

What do you think Dana's job is.

[lefthook449]

Originally Posted by Chi-City

What do you think Dana's job is.

Apparently they just pay dana to fuck things up. That's all he does according to some people.

[FightCrew]

Originally Posted by Kneeuinthenutz

I have no idea where most of you have gotten your ideas about Dana White and the success of the UFC...

Yes it's true. Dana White talked the Fertitas into buying the UFC for 1 milion dollars...Here is what you're forgetting...

Dana ran the UFC 36 million dollars in debt, and was looking for a buyer. He got someone to go as high as 4 million. They were ready to sell until the last moment Lorenzo decided not to and go with a last ditch effort. That last ditch effort was known as The Ultimate Fighter, which also happens to be something Dana White was totally against....I have no idea where some of you have the idea Dana came up with the idea of TUF because that simply never happened.

So tell me? Why exactly wouldn't the UFC be were it is today without Dana White....

Are these facts, or just what you read on the Internet? You make it sound so simple, when the fact is that you were never a part of any of these business decisions.

[FightCrew]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

Again that's not Dana, it the work of the fighters, the Fertittas, and Joe Silva.

I can't believe that you actually wrote that. I'm done posting on this thread. Wow.

[jaykool666]

Originally Posted by lefthook449

How does Dana get no credit for all the good things but all of the blame for all of the bad things, this makes no fucking sense.

Make up your mind, he's either in charge or he isn't.

You've missed the whole point of my post. All I'm saying is, that if Dana is so good then why is he making mistakes in so many areas. Why should he be the only one getting credit for the success of the UFC? He got rid of fighters like Jon Fitch, Tito Ortiz, Pedro Rizzo, Tim Sylvia, Bobby Hoffman, Josh Barnett, and Renato Sobral because he had personal problems with them, not because of their perfomance or because they weren't drawing in the fans. Why did he cut Andrei Arlovski, Fabricio Werdum, and many others when they still had many good years left in the UFC and were attracting PPV buys and supercharging ticket sales? Why can't he or won't he sign fighters like Fedor, KJ, and Cung Le? I'm just pointing out that Dana isn't all everyone is cracking him up to be, and that any success that the UFC has seen is not just the work of Dana White.

[lefthook449]

Originally Posted by jaykool666

You've missed the whole point of my post. All I'm saying is, that if Dana is so good then why is he making mistakes in so many areas. Why should he be the only one getting credit for the success of the UFC? He got rid of fighters like Jon Fitch, Tito Ortiz, Pedro Rizzo, Tim Sylvia, Bobby Hoffman, Josh Barnett, and Renato Sobral because he had personal problems with them, not because of their perfomance or because they weren't drawing in the fans. Why did he cut Andrei Arlovski, Fabricio Werdum, and many others when they still had many good years left in the UFC and were attracting PPV buys and supercharging ticket sales? Why can't he or won't he sign fighters like Fedor, KJ, and Cung Le? I'm just pointing out that Dana isn't all everyone is cracking him up to be.

I'm turning it around on you. I agree he shouldn't get all the credit. Why should he get all the blame for all of the shit you just typed out that i'm not going to read?

If he doesn't make the decisions that deserve credit, how can he make the decisions that get all the blame?

[Lavalamp]

Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord

Here is a hypothetical situation:

1) Elite NEVER folded and still had the same stable of fighters.
2) UFC has it's current stable of fighters.
3) Elite has comparable outlets that UFC does.
4) Dana white has been FIRED from the UFC and is now the NEW PRESIDENT OF Elite XC.

Does anybody believe that Dana White "The man who saved MMA" would be able to trump the UFC (using his current methods of doing business)?

This is a round about "What came first the chicken or the egg" type of question.

See, me personally. I think that THE FIGHTERS is what makes the UFC so great. I think that, at this point, if the UFC got another President that the company would either get better or stay the same (as far as interest and viewership is concerned) as long as they kept the fighters happy.

Dana White would not be able to get lucky TWICE!

I mean, LETS BE HONEST, how long can one man coast on one achievement.? TUF was/is great (dependin on who you ask). And the Forrest/Bonnar fight really did save the company. But beyond that, what has DW done since then? What significant deal has he made?

Fox Deal? - FAILURE!
Fedor Deal? - FAILURE X 2!
HBO Deal? - FAILURE!
ESPN Deal? - FAILURE!
CBS Deal? - FAILURE!
Fighter Dolls? - Success <--But really. Who over the age of 10 really gives a flyin' fuck? Any grown man w/ those dolls should promptly have his ass beaten stupid by the nearest middle schooler.
UFC Video Game - Ehh...Not really anything new as their have already been UFC games. This one might be kinda decent. But I can't really call tihs a DW achievement!
UFC IN MSG? - A DW pipe dream. This won't happen unless somebody not named DW is doing the deal!

The man can't deal his way into anything where he doesn't already have the upper hand. I will be more than suprised if he EVER successfully brokers a deal for the UFC to hit the streets of NYC. It'll never happen w/ him at the helm.

I use to be such a huge DW fan until I realized that damn near every deal the man attempts to touch turns to shit and it usually turns to shit b/c he's always acting like and impetuous tempermental adolescent lil girl about business.

The deals that HBO, ESPN, and CBS were offering weren't better deals than the Spike TV deal. I mean I'm sure Dana could have gotten a crappy CBS deal that EliteXC got, but it wouldn't make sense.

If Dana and Lorenzo became the management for EliteXC, and the UFC's management became Jared Shaw and friends, I do think the UFC would decline, and EliteXC would have improved. It would happen over like 5 years.