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11-21-2008, 01:35 AM
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord
Everything good? I'm waiting for somebody to give me something except for "TUF"
And like I said. He can't do shit w/ a deal where he doesn't already have the upper hand (to begin w/) or isn't "friends" w/ the people he's dealing w/.
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Let's start with how Dana has petitioning to have have MMA sanctioned in most states. When Zuffa took over the UFC, the only state that would sanction them was New Jersey. Since then Dana has spear headed the movement to bring the sport all over the U.S. and Canada and open it up to international markets where it was previously non existent.
These other orgs like Affliction and EliteXC wouldn't even have the oppurtunity to compete with the UFC were it not for Dana White.
You may not like Dana White and that's fair because his personality and strong arm tactics can certainly rub people the wrong way. But if you honestly think he's done nothing of note for the UFC or MMA in general than you are a complete and utter moron.
You wouldn't be watching MMA in North America today if it weren't for Dana White, so show some respect for the man where it is warranted.
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11-21-2008, 01:36 AM
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Blue Belt
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: New York
Posts: 668
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Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord
Again. One thing. One thing. DW came up w/ the idea for TUF. Beyond that. He hasn't done shit. I just don't believe that having one good idea (tha actually wasn't working) is grounds to consider the man a "MMA MESSIAH"
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How stupid are you? If it wasnt for Dana getting the Fertitas to buy the UFC at the time, even though he has a 10 percent stake in the company, the UFC wouldn't have been around to even have a show on spike. You can try and make your analysis or twist the facts to try and make yourself feel better, but the truth is MMA would not be where it is at today if it wasn't for him.
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11-21-2008, 01:39 AM
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Brown Belt
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Seattle, Wa.
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Originally Posted by jodka
You do realize that the "failed" Fedor, HBO, ESPN, and CBS deals are WHY the UFC are so successful? They make CHOICES THAT MAKE THEM MONEY. Most dipshits would have given their souls to be on CBS. (Like Elitexc did). The UFC does not make decisions based on Sherdog, they make decisions based on good, sound business. That is why they didn't make those deals happen and they are better off for it. Do you actually think they would be better off had they made any of those deals happen?
Affliction has an AWESOME stock of fighters. If it's the fighters that matter, why did their first PPV only sell 100k PPVs?
Why did the WFA fail?
Why did Pride fail?
Why is Dream failing?
It's the not the fighters, it's the leaders. Poor leaders (EliteXC) can ruin any Org no matter how good the fighters. Good leaders can even make mediocre fighters into profitable organizations. (See KOTC) Ultimately, you need good fighters, but workers are always in good supply. Great managers? They are VERY hard to find.
The UFC is no different from any other business. Worker bees are a necessity, but easily found and replaced. Great leaders are rare and priceless, thus they are paid more.
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Would that be the same management that got the whole world into a financial crisis with there other worldly intelligence that they must possess to be solely responsible for the success of companies. As far as ur managers are great theory the real work is done by engineers in most companies u dumb sh*t managers sit in meetings all day trying to sound important. As for all ur questions above, ur points are similar to a statistics question once asked. Did you know that 100% of heroin users have used marijuana? This question would lead u to think that marijuana leads to heroin use. The correct question is how many pot users go on to use heroin. You did the same thing with ur questions above!!
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11-21-2008, 01:40 AM
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Orange Belt
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 274
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fuck yes that dude needs to take a good long hard look in the mirror and realize what a poor business tactic, ego driven, camera drunk, downward spiral, **** rag he has become.
1) he needs to get off the fucking podium so much nobody wants to see him we want to see the great fighters that are in ufc if he keeps going down this road he's going to become vince mcmann a parody of a human being for the sole purpose of selling tickets, and guess what tickets and ppv buys are already selling so stop putting ur bald head on tv dana
2) he needs to stop fucking with fighters, i never thought he was that big a dick but fucking around fitch and all the aka guys, fitch has done nothing but humble and loyal to ufc. even if they worked shit out. That's some shameful shit
3) he needs to fire mike goldberg and hire bas ruten, sorry this has nothing to do with this forum question but mike goldberg's commentary makes me want to die. plus bas and rogan would make a funny fucking pair
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11-21-2008, 01:42 AM
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Yellow Belt
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 189
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Originally Posted by pimptight
Would that be the same management that got the whole world into a financial crisis with there other worldly intelligence that they must possess to be solely responsible for the success of companies. As far as ur managers are great theory the real work is done by engineers in most companies u dumb sh*t managers sit in meetings all day trying to sound important. As for all ur questions above, ur points are similar to a statistics question once asked. Did you know that 100% of heroin users have used marijuana? This question would lead u to think that marijuana leads to heroin use. The correct question is how many pot users go on to use heroin. You did the same thing with ur questions above!!
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just wondering.... but were you fired recently?
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11-21-2008, 01:43 AM
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Brown Belt
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Seattle, Wa.
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Originally Posted by Kneeuinthenutz
I have no idea where most of you have gotten your ideas about Dana White and the success of the UFC...
Yes it's true. Dana White talked the Fertitas into buying the UFC for 1 milion dollars...Here is what you're forgetting...
Dana ran the UFC 36 million dollars in debt, and was looking for a buyer. He got someone to go as high as 4 million. They were ready to sell until the last moment Lorenzo decided not to and go with a last ditch effort. That last ditch effort was known as The Ultimate Fighter, which also happens to be something Dana White was totally against....I have no idea where some of you have the idea Dana came up with the idea of TUF because that simply never happened.
So tell me? Why exactly wouldn't the UFC be were it is today without Dana White....
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DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
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11-21-2008, 01:43 AM
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White Belt
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang666
Dana White is a POS who has used the UFC name and station's money and taken credit for everything. May someone sell him laced steriods.
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That is the most retarded statement I have ever heard.
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11-21-2008, 01:44 AM
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Brown Belt
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Seattle, Wa.
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Originally Posted by beav1982
just wondering.... but were you fired recently? 
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No but I do work for a company that is ran by a bunch of incompatent fools who think outsourcing work to foriegn countries is somehow in the long term interest of the company!!
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11-21-2008, 01:48 AM
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Brown Belt
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Calgary
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So what exactly do you call the opposite of a WAR wagon?
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11-21-2008, 01:48 AM
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Blue Belt
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Dana White would be nothing without Frank and Lorenzo's money. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to promote an MMA show if you have enough money to pay top names.
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