Dana White - Myth built off of one strike of major LUCK!

[Rematch]

Originally Posted by NHB7

When people say that Dana White is the cause of UFC's incredible success, they ignore the billionaires with enough business sense to own and operate succesful casinos in Las Vegas before the UFC existed and hwo now own it. I'm pretty sure the Fertittas have plenty to do with the UFC's success.

Then explain BodogFIGHT.

[method115]

Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord

Well shit. Now i'm really scratching my head. The success of the UFC and growth of MMA is directly related to TUF 1 and more specifically the Forrest/Bonnar fight. So if that wasn't even DW then I guess his legacy consists of

"HEY YOU GUYS! I GOT UFC DOLLS!"

He also got the Ferrittas to invest in MMA that is a very big thing and its how the Zuffa era started. If he would have never got them interested Zuffa would have never bought the UFC.

[jodka]

Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord

Here is a hypothetical situation:

1) Elite NEVER folded and still had the same stable of fighters.
2) UFC has it's current stable of fighters.
3) Elite has comparable outlets that UFC does.
4) Dana white has been FIRED from the UFC and is now the NEW PRESIDENT OF Elite XC.

Does anybody believe that Dana White "The man who saved MMA" would be able to trump the UFC (using his current methods of doing business)?

This is a round about "What came first the chicken or the egg" type of question.

See, me personally. I think that THE FIGHTERS is what makes the UFC so great. I think that, at this point, if the UFC got another President that the company would either get better or stay the same (as far as interest and viewership is concerned) as long as they kept the fighters happy.

Dana White would not be able to get lucky TWICE!

I mean, LETS BE HONEST, how long can one man coast on one achievement.? TUF was/is great (dependin on who you ask). And the Forrest/Bonnar fight really did save the company. But beyond that, what has DW done since then? What significant deal has he made?

Fox Deal? - FAILURE!
Fedor Deal? - FAILURE X 2!
HBO Deal? - FAILURE!
ESPN Deal? - FAILURE!
CBS Deal? - FAILURE!
Fighter Dolls? - Success <--But really. Who over the age of 10 really gives a flyin' fuck? Any grown man w/ those dolls should promptly have his ass beaten stupid by the nearest middle schooler.
UFC Video Game - Ehh...Not really anything new as their have already been UFC games. This one might be kinda decent. But I can't really call tihs a DW achievement!
UFC IN MSG? - A DW pipe dream. This won't happen unless somebody not named DW is doing the deal!

The man can't deal his way into anything where he doesn't already have the upper hand. I will be more than suprised if he EVER successfully brokers a deal for the UFC to hit the streets of NYC. It'll never happen w/ him at the helm.

I use to be such a huge DW fan until I realized that damn near every deal the man attempts to touch turns to shit and it usually turns to shit b/c he's always acting like and impetuous tempermental adolescent lil girl about business.

You do realize that the "failed" Fedor, HBO, ESPN, and CBS deals are WHY the UFC are so successful? They make CHOICES THAT MAKE THEM MONEY. Most dipshits would have given their souls to be on CBS. (Like Elitexc did). The UFC does not make decisions based on Sherdog, they make decisions based on good, sound business. That is why they didn't make those deals happen and they are better off for it. Do you actually think they would be better off had they made any of those deals happen?

Affliction has an AWESOME stock of fighters. If it's the fighters that matter, why did their first PPV only sell 100k PPVs?

Why did the WFA fail?

Why did Pride fail?

Why is Dream failing?

It's the not the fighters, it's the leaders. Poor leaders (EliteXC) can ruin any Org no matter how good the fighters. Good leaders can even make mediocre fighters into profitable organizations. (See KOTC) Ultimately, you need good fighters, but workers are always in good supply. Great managers? They are VERY hard to find.

The UFC is no different from any other business. Worker bees are a necessity, but easily found and replaced. Great leaders are rare and priceless, thus they are paid more.

[francis_kreuer]

Originally Posted by CWMMA

UFC wouldn't be where its at today without DW like it or not, could he have done better? Sure. Could he have done worse? Look at all the other MMA orgs going under and you tell me....

+1 kudos

[Hanz Gruber]

Originally Posted by TopNotchJits

TUF wasn't Dana White's idea...he's admitted to it several times...it was Fertitta's idea after he saw how good that Casino reality show did where a UFC PPV was mentioned in one of the shows.

You are correct. He actually opposd the idea of doing a reality show. Dana hasn't done jack but piss fighters off. UFC would be bigger without him and we would probably actually get to see the top guys fight each other

[johnsq316]

Originally Posted by jodka

You do realize that the "failed" Fedor, HBO, ESPN, and CBS deals are WHY the UFC are so successful? They make CHOICES THAT MAKE THEM MONEY. Most dipshits would have given their souls to be on CBS. (Like Elitexc did). The UFC does not make decisions based on Sherdog, they make decisions based on good, sound business. That is why they didn't make those deals happen and they are better off for it. Do you actually think they would be better off had they made any of those deals happen?

Affliction has an AWESOME stock of fighters. If it's the fighters that matter, why did their first PPV only sell 100k PPVs?

Why did the WFA fail?

Why did Pride fail?

Why is Dream failing?

It's the not the fighters, it's the leaders. Poor leaders (EliteXC) can ruin any Org no matter how good the fighters. Good leaders can even make mediocre fighters into profitable organizations. (See KOTC) Ultimately, you need good fighters, but workers are always in good supply. Great managers? They are VERY hard to find.

The UFC is no different from any other business. Worker bees are a necessity, but easily found and replaced. Great leaders are rare and priceless, thus they are paid more.

That's why Jodka is a regional manager - rare and priceless.

This should also be /thread.

[The D'arce Lord]

Originally Posted by method115

He also got the Ferrittas to invest in MMA that is a very big thing and its how the Zuffa era started. If he would have never got them interested Zuffa would have never bought the UFC.

Dude. I have good friends too as I am sure u do. Unfortunately I have no rich friends (I really need better firneds. LOL) If one of my friends hit the lotto and I came to my friends w/ a half way plausible idea; w/ them knowing how relentless and driven I am, it wouldn't take much for me to convince them.

But hey. If that's all it takes to impress u people. Ehh....

I guess I am just waiting to see this prodigy business man that the fans make him out to be. The way I see it, if we can go off of what we know and claim him to be a GREAT business man. How can we not (also) look at the deals that he couldn't make (which out number the ones he could) and say

"Hey. Maybe he's not really all that great of a business man. Maybe he's just a sound hustler who pulled the arm on the slot machine and hit it big the one time."

[fade2black2004]

Do you attend all the conferences and business meetings?

No? Really? Then shut the fuck up.

You have no idea what part Dana has had in alot of the business decisions that have made the UFC what it is.

[lefthook449]

Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord

How can we not (also) look at the deals that he couldn't make (which out number the ones he could) and say

How do you know that not making these deals was a mistake?

CBS deal sucked. No one has been able to do a deal with Fedor that makes a viable company. All the other TV deals? Again, who knows if they would have been good or not.

The fact that he and the Fertitas are the only one's that have been able to make MMA work, has to mean something. Other rich people have tried, other fight promoters have tried, other good businessmen have tried. Only Zuffa has succeeded, that has to count for something.

[johnsq316]

Originally Posted by The D'arce Lord

Dude. I have good friends too as I am sure u do. Unfortunately I have no rich friends (I really need better firneds. LOL) If one of my friends hit the lotto and I came to my friends w/ a half way plausible idea; w/ them knowing how relentless and driven I am, it wouldn't take much for me to convince them.

But hey. If that's all it takes to impress u people. Ehh....

I guess I am just waiting to see this prodigy business man that the fans make him out to be. The way I see it, if we can go off of what we know and claim him to be a GREAT business man. How can we not (also) look at the deals that he couldn't make (which out number the ones he could) and say

"Hey. Maybe he's not really all that great of a business man. Maybe he's just a sound hustler who pulled the arm on the slot machine and hit it big the one time."

What is your point with this thread?

Your opinion is that Dana is not a great businessman. I get that. He runs the only (ONLY) MMA company that has EVER been successful, but he's a moron who happened to stumble into it based on one lucky occurrence. From that point, a blind chimp throwing darts could have made the rest of the decisions.

Is that really what you believe?