Clinch the most important aspect of mma??

[Bargey]

Originally Posted by madrobbo

example???

cause every boxing match i've sen has involved a clinch unless the guy was knocked out in the first 20 seconds. In MMA you clinch with a wrestler thats a fatal mistake.

So just because a boxer is happy to clinch with another boxer in a boxing match you think that they will do the same in an mma match? Great logic there...

[platfox]

Originally Posted by madrobbo

LOL i am the TS. And i'm talking about clinching in general (where two guys have a hold of each other) so it can be any kind of clinch not just one specific clinch.

Haha, my bad. Thats my adult ADD kickin in. If you can be physically dominating and control where fights are gonna go(standing or to the ground), you have a serious advantage. Maybe not in the lower levels where some guys are just strong with little technique, but in the UFC where everyone is so well rounded i'll agree that its really important. Seems like everyone is at least a bjj brown belt, division 1 wrestler, or ex boxer. The clinch can definitely be the deciding factor.

[Corey Roberts]

Originally Posted by Bargey

So just because a boxer is happy to clinch with another boxer in a boxing match you think that they will do the same in an mma match? Great logic there...

No the point i was making is that there is nearly always a clinch in every fight, in an MMA fight the moment the boxers clinched he gets taken down.

[shadowkickboxin]

Yea, the clinch is probably the most important technique to master in MMA. There are more fighters who don't fare well without a good clinch than there are with fighters who are good in the clinch.

One fighter that comes to my mind is Gonzaga. The guy had all the tools to become a great figher.. Heavy hands, slick BBJ, size and strength. But he was horrible at the clinch, and that's where Kongo and Couture beat him.

After the clinch, you can add sub skills such as Boxing, Muai thai BBJ, etc... and become a pretty competetive MMA fighter.

[Bargey]

Its obvious that having a good clinch is important but TS doesn't even distinguish between the Greco Roman clinch or the thai clinch. The difference between those two and what you do with those two is like apples and oranges.

However it is not nearly as important as its made out to be otherwise the fighter with the better clinch would win 90% of the time. Only we have fights just some big ones i can think of like:

Penn-Hughes
Liddell-Couture 2&3
Liddell-Ortiz
Fedor-Randleman
Rampage-Wand 3
Crocop-Wand 2
Crocop-Barnett
Randleman-Crocop 2
Vera-Jardine

In these fight the fighter with the better clinch on paper got there asses kicked. Some even used their clinch to seemingly great effect such as Randleman-Fedor but it meant nothing coz without the jits or the striking the clinch means nothing. Not to mention how many fights in which the clinch is hardly used and is a non-factor. Check ufc 92 for proof.

Notice who the 3 best in the world are p4p? Fedor, BJ, Anderson. They don't care where the fight goes and they hardly bother clinching because they are all great grapplers and strikers. Only fight I can really think of where a big effort to clinch was made was Anderson's thai clinch v Franklin 1 - but did he really need to?

[ghostfacekiller]

The most important aspects of MMA are not getting ktfo or subbed.

[Daddywalrus**]

Originally Posted by madrobbo

clinch in general, even watching boxing a lot of fighters throw flurries then clinch up and the ref breaks it. Thats why i feel boxers don't adapt well to MMA cause they can't fire off their punches then clinch up cause as soon as they clinch with the wrestler they get taken down, thats why most boxers are very tentative in MMA they don't have that fail safe where the can clinch up if they miss with a flurry.

So for arguments sake we'll say greco clinch but the thai clinch also deal with legs trips.

The other thing boxers dont have to worry about is getting a knee to the face.

[Daido_Juku]

it just depends on the fighter, Randy, Wandy 2 different fighters with 2 different clinch style, but they still dominate their opponent. except for wandy who was been knockout.

[GoDownOnHer]

We saw some deadly clinch work last year.

[MrBrutal]

The clinch is not THE most important thing in MMA... consider how many good fighters are good because of their Greco-style clinch (Dan Henderson, Couture) vs how many are good because of, say, striking (Thiago Alves, Anderson Silva, Eddie Alvarez, W. Silva, Machida, Arlovski...)