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Old 01-06-2009, 03:28 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Actually not true at all. There are alot of great one-dimensional guys in MMA. It really depends on what style you're good at.

And define "great?" Great as in great in MMA at each discipline or great as in hes great compared to the best boxers, MT fighters in the world. Because they might be great in comparison with other fighters in MMA but their boxing, MT etc does not compare to the best in the world and its not even close. So really you can say in MMA to be truly the greatest you have to be competent at everything but their likely never going to be considered great at anything more than 1 MAYBE 2 disciplines.

lastly, the majority of boxers who werent complete tomato cans all had success in MMA. So to say that the clinch is the reason why they dont succeed is completely inaccurate because many boxer have indeed succeeded and the ones who have not it certainly wasnt due to their clinch ability.

And the clinch is such a minor part of MMA, i'd say the most important aspect if you had to pick one would be wrestling ability. If you dont have good wrestling you're likely not going to go very far. Of course there are a few exceptions. There are some very good MMA guys who cant fight out of the clinch. But that certainly hasnt deterred them from succeeding.
That is complete and utter bullshit, clinch is universal in all fighting arts. Pretty much all fights you see a clinch. You show me a world class boxer and i'll show you a world class wrestler that will clinch him and take him down and pound him out. Wrestling is essentially clinch fighting.

I have a few questions,

1. who is these boxers that succeded you speak off???

2. what would you attribute the failure of previous boxers too??

3. who are these good MMA fighters that aren't good in the clinch you speak off??
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:30 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Alot of fights involve zero clinching at all. But almost all fights involve punches of some kind. I'd take good hands over a good clinch.
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Alot of fights involve zero clinching at all. But almost all fights involve punches of some kind. I'd take good hands over a good clinch.
example???

cause every boxing match i've sen has involved a clinch unless the guy was knocked out in the first 20 seconds. In MMA you clinch with a wrestler thats a fatal mistake.
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my opinion is if you're good in the clinch you're good in MMA, obviously you need to be well rounded at everything but to be truly succesful in MMA you need to master that clinch.

Thoughts??

You agree, or do you think there is another aspect that is more important than the clinch???
I think a great clinch and chin are the key to winning fights. Fedor, wanderlei, a silva, and couture is awesome in the clinch but he has a weakish chin. obviously lots of others as well.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:49 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I think a great clinch and chin are the key to winning fights. Fedor, wanderlei, a silva, and couture is awesome in the clinch but he has a weakish chin. obviously lots of others as well.
Thats exactly right, though if you're using the clinch right the guy shouldn't be able to fire off a punch to test your chin, but there's also the fact that if you're up against a good striker you will no doubt eat a couple initiating the clinch. So yeah, clinch and chin are fundamental.
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example???

cause every boxing match i've sen has involved a clinch unless the guy was knocked out in the first 20 seconds. In MMA you clinch with a wrestler thats a fatal mistake.
I think the TS is referring to a Thai clinch and not just a grappling/wrestling clinch. Well thats what i thought anyways. If TS is referring to anytime two opponents have a hold of each other, than I can't really argue that it doesn't happen in just about every fight.
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I think the TS is referring to a Thai clinch and not just a grappling/wrestling clinch. Well thats what i thought anyways. If TS is referring to anytime two opponents have a hold of each other, than I can't really argue that it doesn't happen in just about every fight.
LOL i am the TS. And i'm talking about clinching in general (where two guys have a hold of each other) so it can be any kind of clinch not just one specific clinch.
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