Clinch the most important aspect of mma??

[King_Cobra]

Originally Posted by kasra00

i think control is the most important aspect. whether it's distance your opponents body on the ground the pace of the fight center of the octagon thats the key the more of those you control the more likely you win..

Great post. Excellent.

Not all fights in MMA are machanical and predictable. Not all fights wil go into a clinch. MMA is so complex it is light years ahead of what it was back in 1993.

[Corey Roberts]

Originally Posted by King_Cobra

Which boxers are you talking about?

Name me these boxers.

You absolutely make no sense in the bolded statement. A top rank boxer firing off is punches with 4 ounce gloves would have a great chance of scoring a knock out.

Well off the top of my head marcus davis couldn't do anything when joe daddy clinched him in TUF2

it's hard to throw punches when someone has an over/under or double unders on ya.

I willing to bet my left nut that an olympic gold medalist greco roman wrestler would take down a world champion boxer before the boxer could knock out said wrestler.

[Bman]

Originally Posted by madrobbo

it's hard to throw punches when someone has an over/under or double unders on ya.

ummmm errrrrr unless you use a shoulder bump uppercut combo ... you know... a boxing move... cough cough

[Corey Roberts]

Originally Posted by Bman

what if you had a great clinch and no jits and you grabbed a black belt and he just rolled back into gaurd, your fucked son! somon now this is a mute point all together there IS no most important part thats why its MMA .....

If your clinch is good enough he won't be able to pull guard and you can just posture out of the guard.

[December]

Originally Posted by madrobbo

One could argue rampage comes from a clinching background though because he's a wrestler, remember those slams he used to do when he clinched up with people??

i remember watching one of rampages early fights he literally threw no punches just controlled and slammed the guy throughout the fight

Rampage imo has a great clinch he was allready rocked when he clinched with Silva but i seem to remember him beating Hendo in the clinch and i only remember Sakuraba ever taking Rampage down

[Corey Roberts]

Originally Posted by Bman

ummmm errrrrr unless you use a shoulder bump uppercut combo ... you know... a boxing move... cough cough

ummmmmm errrrrrrr ummmmmm how many times you seen it done in MMA cough cough

[Red Triangle]

Originally Posted by Sean.

Throws/trips from the clinch if anything. I still feel an effective double/single leg is the best tool to have in MMA.

Sakuraba had an amazing single leg, but I still believe that the clinch is the most effective tool one can master in MMA. It involves take downs, as well as strikes of all sorts.

[Corey Roberts]

Originally Posted by Red Triangle

Sakuraba had an amazing single leg, but I still believe that the clinch is the most effective tool one can master in MMA. It involves take downs, as well as strikes of all sorts.

see this keyboard warriors, this is coming from a profighter who actually steps in there.

Thanks you good sir and good luck with everything

[Corey Roberts]

Originally Posted by December

i remember watching one of rampages early fights he literally threw no punches just controlled and slammed the guy throughout the fight

Rampage imo has a great clinch he was allready rocked when he clinched with Silva but i seem to remember him beating Hendo in the clinch and i only remember Sakuraba ever taking Rampage down

Thats pretty much all what oldschool page did, slam fools on their heads.

[uppercuts21]

Originally Posted by Rikishi Phatu

You need to be great at everything or else you will never find consistent success.

Actually not true at all. There are alot of great one-dimensional guys in MMA. It really depends on what style you're good at.

And define "great?" Great as in great in MMA at each discipline or great as in hes great compared to the best boxers, MT fighters in the world. Because they might be great in comparison with other fighters in MMA but their boxing, MT etc does not compare to the best in the world and its not even close. So really you can say in MMA to be truly the greatest you have to be competent at everything but their likely never going to be considered great at anything more than 1 MAYBE 2 disciplines.

lastly, the majority of boxers who werent complete tomato cans all had success in MMA. So to say that the clinch is the reason why they dont succeed is completely inaccurate because many boxer have indeed succeeded and the ones who have not it certainly wasnt due to their clinch ability.

And the clinch is such a minor part of MMA, i'd say the most important aspect if you had to pick one would be wrestling ability. If you dont have good wrestling you're likely not going to go very far. Of course there are a few exceptions. There are some very good MMA guys who cant fight out of the clinch. But that certainly hasnt deterred them from succeeding.