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Old 08-04-2006, 03:10 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Brock Lesnar... Unbeatable in one year?

Hello all, this is my first post. I've been a lurker for quite some time. I'm not sure if anyone cares but those of you who know of him, I found it interesting. Here goes, be gentle on me.


Pat Miletich on Brock Lesnar

"One year from now there won't be anybody alive who can beat him."

From Dave Meltzer
--For whatever this is worth, the St. Paul Pioneer Press today claims Brock Lesnar's fight MMA fight will be in October in Las Vegas. Within the industry, the belief is Lesnar has signed with K-1/Hero's. I do know that UFC talked with him but believe they are not going to get him. Neither K-1 nor Hero's has a show in Las Vegas in October, so at least part of that story is false. There is a Hero's show in Japan in October, but if he's going to debut on that show, one would expect he will make an appearance to announce it Saturday night in Tokyo, so we'll know in two days or less about that one. If it is with K-1, for all concerned, it makes the most sense for him to debut on New Year's Eve. Lesnar's lawsuit settlement with WWE saw him for all real purposes win the case outright without an official verdict which would set a bad precedent for WWE's future enforcement of such clauses. He's allowed to do anything he wants to do at this point, at least as it pertains to anything he's considering or has talked about.

Promotional footage of his training

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTczM...nar%20training

My take on it so far...

He's definitely a heavyweight and comes into MMA with a strong work ethic and a solid wrsetling background. In one year will he be able to:

Not gas like most heavyweights
He's got a ton of muscle. A ton of muscle needs a ton of oxygen. He's gone 30+ minutes with Kurt Angle but we all know MMA doesn't let you rest for a minute on the mat after a huge spot. Endurance, in my opinion, will be Brock's biggest obstacle.

Gain a solid striking game
We've all seen jiu-jitsu guys try to stand and exchange. It's like taking a boxer to the ground. I have no doubt that Lesnar is a quick learner. But, if he hasn't had any previous muy thai, kickboxing, or sparring experience, can he make up the several year gap that would be between him and Tim Sylvia? Andrei Orlavski? Fedor Emilienenko?

Be confortable on his back
Being on the back is a big crutch for many wrestlers. It's only those wrestlers who train jiu-jitsu that become comfortable on their backs. It's not good to be comfortable on your back (Nick Diaz is 0 for his last 3 because he was too comfortable on his back) but can he weather the frustration that comes with a guy on top of you for an entire round (Forest griffin underneath Ortiz for 5 minutes). If he can't, he could get antsy, gas out from frustration and squirming, or subject himself to a quick submission or top mount.

Take a punch
Still yet to be determined. He's got a huge noggen like Cabbage and his traps connect to his ears (not sure what that means against being knocked out, I just know the straps on his overalls would constantly slide off). It'll take some time before we know if he's comfortable with bring hit or even seeing his own blood.


Make Weight
it sounds kind of silly but isn't the cutoff in UFC 265 for the heavyweights? 265 for Lesnar's size and build seems light. I know that he probably cut weight all the time in his amatuer wrestling career so I don't see this as being much of a problem. He has to change his mindset from big is better ideal in the WWE.


It should be interesting. Pat Miletich is a stud and he holds a lot of credibility so he must see a heap of potential in Lesnar.

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I didn't do a search for other topics on Lesnar so ignore this post if you like. I hope I brought some fresh material to the table.
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i dunno man. i just hope he trains first and gets the fundamentals before hitting the ring. he has the muscle, power, and wrestling, but hopefully he'll get the grasp of jiu jitsu, striking and MMA mentality before fighting.

and no i dont think he'll be unbeatable in one yr no matter what his training will be.

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I think he can be a force. Any All-American wrestler can make a pretty successful and quick transition to MMA (See Koscheck and possibly Hamill) but it also depends on his will and heart. Alot of big guys like that don't like to get hit (Sapp) and panic when the first punch hits. Only the fights will be able to indicate his success, so we have to wait and see.
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And if he hooks up with MFS, he will have an inside track on success. Miletich can work wonders with wrestlers. And he'd be training with Hughes, Franklin, Black, Horn, Sylvia, Whitehead, Miletich, Fisher and Pulver which would be absolutely huge for a new guy in MMA.
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Yup, MFS knows how to get their fighters to play off their strenghts to win fights, while still working them in the lacking areas until they feel comfortable. Expect to see explosive slams and takedowns, and a lot of brutal GnP. I can't even begin to imagine what it's gonna be like for someone to have Brock on top of them throwing elbows and punches, especially since he's pretty much gonna be able to take people down at will, and stop other from trying to do the same. It should be interesting to say the least, but interesting in a good way I'm sure.
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The White Bob Sapp!
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im am extremely excited for his MMA debut if he ever has one, im not shore why just am for some reason
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more of a speculative thing than a discussion about ufc or pride.
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...and tim sylvia is shitting himself.
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