[NoDaK KiD]

Originally Posted by Det_Kimble

Monson is 0-3 against the competition on your list, but yet Mark Hunt is 1-2 against the top competition on your list, and you don't think Hunt deserves to be on there? Not to mention Hunt gave Fedor a tough fight. Based on your criteria, Hunt deserves a spot on there instead of Monson. Sorry if I sound like a dick, but it just doesn't make sense why Hunt doesn't qualify and Monson does.

Ricco is also questionable since he's hasn't beat a top guy in a while now.

I don't think your position is at all preposterous, I just think that with Hunts few fights coupled with his not having fought for a very long time was enough to exclude him from the list.

I don't even know if he's fighting anymore. I heard he's doing Pro Wrestling in Japan, but that could be incorrect.

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by juggo

My bad. I knew that...

I have no doubt you did. I just had to point that out in case someone who didn't read that.

[NoDaK KiD]

Originally Posted by juggo

It's kind of funny how Ricco Rodriguez is listed on the win totals of Sylvia, Rothwell and Antonio Silva, as if they're at all equatable.

Sylvia beat Ricco in his prime when he was a top 5 HW in the world, coming off a win over then former HW champion Randy Couture.

Rothwell and Silva beat an out-of-shape Ricco coming off drug/gambling addictions and VH1 reality show appearances.

I don't think they're equitable either. Its why someone like Arlovski who is 2-4 against fighters on the list is ranked higher than Cro-Cop, who is 4-4. The time period when a fighter beat another fighter is certainly important.

The list merely shows how fighters currently ranked in the top 20 have done against other fighters currently ranked in the top 20.

Some of the results may be misleading, while other results are not.

[Det_Kimble]

Originally Posted by NoDaK KiD

I don't think your position is at all preposterous, I just think that with Hunts few fights coupled with his not having fought for a very long time was enough to exclude him from the list.

I don't even know if he's fighting anymore. I heard he's doing Pro Wrestling in Japan, but that could be incorrect.

Barnett should be off your list too then since the last time he fought was the same night of Hunt's last fight.

The top 20 is tricky to rank though because there are a lot of guys that are interchangeable in the 10-20 range. I'll try to think up of a top 20 in a little bit.

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

I have no doubt you did. I just had to point that out in case someone who didn't read that.

You're a good man Bullitt .

[juggo]

Originally Posted by NoDaK KiD

I don't think they're equitable either. Its why someone like Arlovski who is 2-4 against fighters on the list is ranked higher than Cro-Cop, who is 4-4. The time period when a fighter beat another fighter is certainly important.

The list merely shows how fighters currently ranked in the top 20 have done against other fighters currently ranked in the top 20.

Some of the results may be misleading, while other results are not.

Fair enough.

Just pointing out the wins and losses over other 'top competition' can't be taken at face value. The Ricco wins were perhaps the most glaring example of that.

[steveflynn]

Originally Posted by NoDaK KiD

I've compiled a list of the top 20 Heavyweights and in parentheses next to their records included how they fared against the other HWs in the top 20.

I thought it was interesting that the only undefeated HWs against their top 20 contemporaries are Fedor (3-0) and Antonio Silva (1-0).

Also worth noting is that the two Heavyweights Fedor has beaten from this list are also the two Heavyweights who have had the largest number of top Heavyweight fights (Nogueira with 9 fights, going 6-3 and Cro-Cop with 8 fights, going 4-4. The only other Heavyweight to have 8 fights was Ricco, who went 3-5.

For those of you who have not followed MMA very long, this list may contain some information that is surprising, like Arlovski only being 2-4 against top fighters or that Gonzaga's win over Cro-Cop was basically his only significantly noteworthy MMA victory.)


1. Fedor Emelianenko 27-1 (3-0)

Wins: Nogueira x2, Cro-Cop
Losses: None

2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 31-4 (6-3)

Wins: Barnett, Sylvia, Werdum, Rodriguez, Kharitonov, Cro-Cop
Losses: Fedor x2, Barnett

3. Randy Couture 16-8 (4-2)

Wins: Sylvia, Gonzaga, Rizzo x2
Losses: Barnett, Rodriguez

4. Josh Barnett 20-5 (3-5)

Wins: Nogueira, A. Emelianenko, Couture
Losses: Cro-Cop x3, Nogueira, Rizzo

5. Tim Sylvia 24-4 (3-3)

Wins: Arlovski x2, Rodriguez,
Losses: Arlovski, Couture, Nogueira

6. Andrei Arlovski 11-5 (2-4)

Wins: Sylvia, Werdum
Losses: Sylvia x2, Rizzo, Rodriguez

7. Fabricio Werdum 10-3 (4-3)

Wins: Gonzaga x2, A. Emelianenko, Overeem
Losses: Kharitonov, Arlovski, Nogueira

8. Cheick Kongo 11-3 (1-0)

Wins: Cro-Cop
Losses: None

9. Gabriel Gonzaga 8-3 (1-3)

Wins: Cro-Cop
Losses: Werdum x2, Couture

10. Mirko Cro-Cop 22-6 (4-4)

Wins: Barnett x3, A. Emelianenko
Losses: Gonzaga, Kongo, Nogueira, Fedor

11. Ben Rothwell 29-5 (1-1)

Wins: Rodriguez
Losses: Sylvia

12. Aleksander Emelianenko 10-3 (1-3)

Wins: Kharitonov
Losses: Werdum, Barnett, Cro-Cop

13. Sergei Kharitonov 15-3 (3-2)

Wins: Werdum, Overeem, Rizzo
Losses: Overeem, Nogueira

14. Antonio Silva 10-1 (1-0)

Wins: Rodriguez
Losses: None

15. Brandon Vera 8-1 (1-1)

Wins: Mir
Losses: Sylvia

16. Pedro Rizzo 16-7 (4-3)

Wins: Rodriguez, Barnett, Monson, Arlovski
Losses: Couture x2, Kharitonov

17. Jeff Monson 24-7 (0-3)

Wins: None
Losses: Sylvia, Rodriguez, Rizzo

18. Ricco Rodriguez 27-8 (3-5)

Wins: Couture, Arlovski, Monson
Losses: Silva, Sylvia, Rothwell, Rizzo, Nogueira

19. Alistair Overeem 26-11 (1-2)

Wins: Kharitonov
Losses: Kharitonov, Werdum

20. Frank Mir 11-3 (1-1)

Wins: Sylvia
Losses: Vera


Thoughts, Corrections, Concerns?

Great list, the only suggestion would be to put mark hunt in there

[NoDaK KiD]

Originally Posted by Det_Kimble

Barnett should be off your list too then since the last time he fought was the same night of Hunt's last fight.

The top 20 is tricky to rank though because there are a lot of guys that are interchangeable in the 10-20 range. I'll try to think up of a top 20 in a little bit.

The difference is that Barnett has a fight scheduled, while Hunt doesn't.

I, for one, sincerely hope Hunt fights again.

He's a very interesting fighter who could probably beat Tim Sylvia @#5, but would lose to Mir@#20.

A guy who punches that hard with a chin that granite is always a blast to watch.

[sunthunder]

Good list, just thought I'd add that Sergei has a loss to Aleks which you missed.

I agree that Hunt should be on there somewhere aswell.

[Det_Kimble]

Here's my top 20:

1. Fedor
2. Nog
3. Barnett
4. Couture
5. Sylvia
6. Arlovski
7. Werdum
8. Gonzaga
9. Mirko
10. Aleks
11. Kharitonov
12. Kongo
13. Hunt
14. Overeem
15. Rothwell
16. Vera
17. Mir
18. Herring
19. Rizzo
20. Monson

[primo7]

even though he isnt in the top 20 i think that there should have been some mention of bob sapp