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Old 06-08-2008, 09:09 AM   #81 (permalink)

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I think it's a real stretch to say that moving around slightly while not attempting to reverse the position and copping 26 unanswered blows could really be interpreted as intelligently defending yourself...

I am as big a nutthugger of certain fighters as the next guy but even if one of my favorite fighters pulled the same "oh there's only 30 seconds left, if i squirm around a bit and wait out the round and I'll be fine" crap, i'd still think the same thing.

...that being said I would have stopped the kimbo fight after the first 15 seconds of unanswered blows as well.
Maybe, but i dont think he got hit 26 times and didnt seem to be hurt or out.

We agree that Vera was in a very very very bad position of course, but can you tell me a better way to defend in that situation?
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:10 AM   #82 (permalink)

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If the commissions and Gary Shaw and the UFC not so in bed with whats left of the "Mob" then he may be fired.

Don't count on it though.

He may be in the ring with Fedor and Tim, you never know....
buddy i would shit if that was case. i guarantee this ref gets booed on american soil the next time he ref's a fight.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:11 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Vera is a crybaby and sore loser.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:11 AM   #85 (permalink)

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Vera was robbed and the fans too!

Total BS, no matter how you paint it. This was a severely bad stoppage. In fact I had Vera winning until he was taken down the last time and mounted. This is the same ref that stopped the Kimbo fight. If they let him ref anymore UFC events, the fighters better be ware!
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:19 AM   #86 (permalink)
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It was a great stoppage. Look at Vera in the GIF forthose who didt watch the fight. He wasnt rolling over to improve position, he rolled to avoid taking shots. Look at his arms, they are crossed. It doesnt look like he going for a submission. Had it been another 10 or 15 seconds, he would have still been in the same position.

Lets face it. Maybe Mirgliotta does suck, but how about Vera really isnt that great at HW.

He beat Fabiano Scherner who never won a fight in the UFC.

He beat Justin Eilers whos 1-3? inthe UFC

He beat Frank Mir, who since he return was 1-1.
Exactly. I'm glad he lost so people can STFU about him finally. He was said to be the man to beat fedor etc. He was one of the most overhyped fighters i've heard of. Theres a bandwagon that still makes excuses for him about the tim fight and even this one but oh well. I think He will do much better at LHW. I think he said he wouldn't drop down though.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:22 AM   #87 (permalink)

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Exactly. I'm glad he lost so people can STFU about him finally. He was said to be the man to beat fedor etc. He was one of the most overhyped fighters i've heard of. Theres a bandwagon that still makes excuses for him about the tim fight and even this one but oh well. I think He will do much better at LHW. I think he said he wouldn't drop down though.
It really doenst matter about who we are talking, that is fanboystuff.

I mean, imagine he was NOT the man to beat Fedor, would that have changed the legitimacy of the stoppage?

No it wouldnt.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:23 AM   #88 (permalink)

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super impressed with werdum, vera needs to go ahead and drop weight.
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I do not think this was a bad stoppage.....but Dan needs to get some consistency in his calls....In the Kimbo fight kimbo took about 20 elbows and wasn't defending himself...yet he let it go.....
This ref seems to take slack in whatever he does.
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I just don't think Dan is a good ref. He's had some bad stoppages. I don't think this was the worst stoppage ever, but i think that Vera could've made it to the second round. If he were meant to lose, then they should have let him get subbed or hurt standing.
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