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Old 06-08-2008, 07:53 PM   #401 (permalink)

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Yeah, that ref does suck, but that was a good stoppage.
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:00 PM   #402 (permalink)

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It's not the ref's job to keep track of the time. If the ref is constantly looking at the clock, he is not paying attention to the fight. Dan stopped the fight because Vera was not intelligently defending himself as per UFC rules. The time on the clock is a non-factor as Dan is not responsible for keeping track of time. Vera however is responsible for defending himself intelligently at all times or at risk of having the fight stopped.
You know thats a really good point.

Is there any history of fights getting a ref stop in under 5 seconds left in the round?
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:00 PM   #403 (permalink)

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I've watched the actual show twice now and seen a lot of gifs, I think the stoppage was very much justified. Vera was eating some serious shots, and turning away without keeping his hands on his face... like his hands were behind his brain function.

Chuck Liddell had a similar reaction to BJM when Rampage KTFO too... he woke up and was like "WTF I WAS FINE!?"

Good stoppage that I originally though was bad because of Dan Lameliotta.
When was he not covering up? How is this even similar to chuck? Chuck went stiff!
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:02 PM   #404 (permalink)
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:05 PM   #405 (permalink)

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1. Vera took 13 direct shots.
2. The ref might have gotten some shit for letting the Kimbo fight go to long, so he stepped in earlier this time.


The stoppage might not have been the best, but I could see why it was stopped.

If Vera didnt want the fight to be stopped he should not have been in the fetal position. I'm sorry but that is not the position of defense.

Vera was in the "Please let the round be over because I'm getting my ass kicked" position. So it was understandable if it was stopped.
13 shots to his arms!
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:08 PM   #406 (permalink)

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I thought it was a bad stoppage, and if Miragliotta was going to let the Kimbo fight go the way he did, then he needs to show some consistency here. Although I will admit that this stoppage is more justified than the Kimbo travesty of a fight/refereeing match.

Bottom line to Vera - getting in a fetal position and holding your hands to your face may not be perceived by some as intelligently defending yourself.

I personally don't think he was in any real danger - the shots that were landing weren't very powerful IMO, and he never seemed close to being unconscious. He was taking the shots. However, he's just as much to blame as Miragliotta.
He wasn't even in the fetal position. He was moving around and swinging his hips, just before the stoppage he did that again (you can clearly see it).

Someone made a good post in another thread that I liked. He said that they need to better define what is and is not intelligently defending yourself. If you are in a Thai clinch and are just blocking and attempting to block the knees is that also not intelligently defending yourself since you are only blocking and attempting to block just like when you are just blocking or attempting to block shots in the ground?

Vera was NOT getting hit with many of those shots, he was blocking a ton of them/taking them on the arms and hands and was NOT in any real danger.
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:08 PM   #407 (permalink)

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It wasn't the ref that sucked, it was Vera's fighting!
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:11 PM   #408 (permalink)
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It was a good decision
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Old 06-08-2008, 08:12 PM   #409 (permalink)

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Old 06-08-2008, 08:12 PM   #410 (permalink)

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If you listen to the audio, Mirgliotta was screaming at Vera "You can't say OK! You can't say OK!"
But apparently Kimbo can. Have the sherdoggers found a new ref to hate not named Herb Dean?
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