Brandon Veras Words " That Ref Sucks"

[Big Eck]

Originally Posted by Cooking With Dom Deluise

If Vera didn't want this to be stopped he shouldn't have went to this position and rolled away while not even defending himself.

Easy to say until you find yourself underneath a Mundial and ADCC champion.

I didn't think the stoppage was all that bad.

[Abseil]

Originally Posted by Toxic Avenger

he wasn´t defending himself intelligently . that is enough to the ref. stop the fight. Werdum was pounding his face at will.

werdum had his guard up, he WAS defending himself intelligently

[Jachin007]

Originally Posted by MartinLav

Dan needed to be suspended after the kimbo fight.

Hell Thompson had kimbo in a crucifix and Dan was telling Thompson he would stand them up.

The guy definitly took a payout or something like that.

Thompson got screwed WWE style.

[CigarHouse]

Originally Posted by Big Eck

Easy to say until you find yourself underneath a Mundial and ADCC champion.

I didn't think the stoppage was all that bad.

That is a great avatar.

[Flip Zee]

Wherd, dawg, werd. Troo.

[shatterproof]

Originally Posted by Cooking With Dom Deluise

I understand there is bias, because Miragliotta did do a pretty horrible job at EXC, but at this event he did a fine job and just take a look at this one more time. If Vera didn't want this to be stopped he shouldn't have went to this position and rolled away while not even defending himself.

This isn't intelligent defense nor was it that brief. It went on for several seconds and the reason that people are complaining is most likely a combination of being sore at Dan Miragliotta for being a bad ref at EXC CBS and Vera's complaining afterwards influencing viewer perception.

Karo did the same thing and it was blatantly obvious upon rewatching that that it looks more legit after each view and that his complaining was influencing fan perception.

that was the absolute definition of defending ones self. He was actively attempting to escape (by rolling to exit the back door, or sweeping with the leg trapped undernieth) while proactively protecting himself from blows with a very active block.

terrrrrrrrible stop. absolutely abysimal. he wasn't dazed, he hadn't given up... and he was CLEARLY defending himself. this is like the ref deciding that a submission, in this case a sub by strikes, is locked in while the fighter is still fighting it off.

i'm not saying that vera was in a good spot, or winning, but he was CLEARLY defending himself. All refs need to stop reading between lines in the rules. defending is defending. knocked out is knocked out, not dizzy. Submitted is submitted, not 'in trouble'.

[activesack]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Just b/c the ref made a bad stoppage during the Kimbo fight, doesn't mean he should let this one go to compensate.

Vera needed to at least attempt to upa or push Werdum's knee. He can't just sit there and take shots (as weak as those shots might have been).

[ILoveMMA]

I've watched the actual show twice now and seen a lot of gifs, I think the stoppage was very much justified. Vera was eating some serious shots, and turning away without keeping his hands on his face... like his hands were behind his brain function.

Chuck Liddell had a similar reaction to BJM when Rampage KTFO too... he woke up and was like "WTF I WAS FINE!?"

Good stoppage that I originally though was bad because of Dan Lameliotta.

[GaBJJ]

bad stoppage.... And a very good fight up to the ref stoppage. Both fighters looked very good. GaBJJ

[ILoveMMA]

Originally Posted by shatterproof

that was the absolute definition of defending ones self. He was actively attempting to escape (by rolling to exit the back door, or sweeping with the leg trapped undernieth) while proactively protecting himself from blows with a very active block.

terrrrrrrrible stop. absolutely abysimal. he wasn't dazed, he hadn't given up... and he was CLEARLY defending himself. this is like the ref deciding that a submission, in this case a sub by strikes, is locked in while the fighter is still fighting it off.

i'm not saying that vera was in a good spot, or winning, but he was CLEARLY defending himself. All refs need to stop reading between lines in the rules. defending is defending. knocked out is knocked out, not dizzy. Submitted is submitted, not 'in trouble'.

I disagree with you... He wasn't going to roll Werdum off. He had that mount deep. He wasn't trying to sweep, and also made no indication that he was after the fight. He just said "let me take that ass whipping and go to the 2nd"... Well, if Dan had let him continue to take that ass whipping and he ended up coming out with a broken orbital bone and a broken nose.. and couldn't continue with round two, you lame fucks would be bashing on the ref anyway for letting it go too long.

The fact of the matter is, Dan Lameliotta fucked up at EliteXC but after watching all the fights he reffed again last night, I think he did a good job overall.

Stop sucking Vera's cock dude, seriously. He was getting tooled that entire round, aside from dazing Werdum once. Werdum's striking is a lot better, and those looked like some powerful shots on the ground. Good call, bad whining.