BJ Penn?

[Bcochran]

Originally Posted by ImpactJM8

if you dont know why people think so highly of Bj then you do not know alot about this sport.

Yeah dude, I agree, you gotta hang of his nuts to be a true MMA fan.

[Bcochran]

Originally Posted by The RuthlessOne

Because BJ's losses have been to larger fighters and GSP lost to a LW.

Pulver isn't larger, go nut-hug elsewhere.

[bam18211]

Originally Posted by Diggle05

I think GSP lost a lot of credablity when he lost to Matt Serra. I know he dominted the next fight but he has had a lot of fights go to decision.

You are a fool. Try using the fight finder and you'll see how many decisions GSP has.

[I'm a]

Originally Posted by Diggle05

I think GSP lost a lot of credablity when he lost to Matt Serra. I know he dominted the next fight but he has had a lot of fights go to decision.

They see you trollin', they hatin'

[FREE BEER!]

p4p threads should go straight to the wasteland.

The only thing tangible we have in this game is one man vs another on a given night. One wins, the other loses. We'll never see a scaled up Miguel Torres fight Fedor, so lets just put this bullshit to rest.

[dustinst22]

Originally Posted by sturmgeist

Because the dude has fought from lightweight all the way to heavyweight, and has done pretty fucking good in every class. That's the definition of P4P - defeating guys, or at least making a strong showing, much bigger than you through skill and sheer determination. BJ and Fedor are two of the only guys who should even be mentioned in P4P discussion, because nobody else you guys talk about has done a GOD damn thing to deserve it.

P4P fighters =

Sakuraba
Royce
BJ
Fedor


When GSP moves cuts weight down to 155 and beats some ass, then moves up to 185 and does well, then to 205 and over and does respectably, then he's a great P4P fighter. Until then, he's just a great WW, nothing more. Same goes for ALL the guys who get talked about as P4P fighters, until they prove something by fighting guys well out of their natural weight class, with success, they should not be mentioned.

p4p rankings aren't about evaluating how a fighter fights at different classes. Rather, it's about comparing who is the most complete and dominate fighter for his weight in comparison to fighters at other weights.

[deboer]

He shouldn't be. Straight up. GSP has done so much more.

[Blake900]

I hate the P4P discussion.

If you are a Penn-hater, fine. He's kind of a dick and has lost fights due to not training properly, which is a negative, not a positive. BUT, if you don't think Penn is ONE OF the best fighters in the world...you really don't know much about MMA, PERIOD

[Trytohitme]

True. If you don't think that it's plausible that BJ could be considered the best P4P fighter then I don't trust that you know much about the sport.

[QcChopper]

Originally Posted by sturmgeist

Because the dude has fought from lightweight all the way to heavyweight, and has done pretty fucking good in every class. That's the definition of P4P - defeating guys, or at least making a strong showing, much bigger than you through skill and sheer determination. BJ and Fedor are two of the only guys who should even be mentioned in P4P discussion, because nobody else you guys talk about has done a GOD damn thing to deserve it.

P4P fighters =

Sakuraba
Royce
BJ
Fedor


When GSP moves cuts weight down to 155 and beats some ass, then moves up to 185 and does well, then to 205 and over and does respectably, then he's a great P4P fighter. Until then, he's just a great WW, nothing more. Same goes for ALL the guys who get talked about as P4P fighters, until they prove something by fighting guys well out of their natural weight class, with success, they should not be mentioned.

Lookup the definition of P4P because you don't know what it means, like so many Sherdoggers. That is why BTW, in many people's mind, that BJ is ahead of GSP in some P4P rankings: because most people think they know what P4P means, but they don't.


From Wikipedia:

Origin of the term

It is often said to have been created to describe world Welterweight and Middleweight champion Sugar Ray Robinson.[1] Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighters of all time, but his supporters realized that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top Heavyweight. Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters,under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.

If BJ > GSP in P4P, then Keith Hackney > BJ