BJ Penn #5 P4P?? Hmmm...

[danno]

Originally Posted by Cotillion

Stop starting rumours, GSP never tapped to strikes. He rolled over, Serra hit his arm and the ref stopped it to no intelligent defence.

haha just like he didn't grease right.. canandians are blind watch the tape he taps quickly and repeatedly

[CRuck1980]

Originally Posted by BilderbergGroup

yeah no shit and that's exactly what P4P is about. What fighters COULD do if they all weighed the same.

Understood but over the years it's become apparent alot of BJ's losses were due to work ethic, not weight.

[positivebalance]

Originally Posted by CRuck1980

The problem with the GSP fight is it exposed BJ's lack of evolution. As talented as BJ is he hasn't changed much and guys will start to pick that up. He's not done because of the loss, but considering how close their first fight is, he has no excuse for that beating he took

You can say he hasn't evolved...you could also say he was 15lbs lighter than a guy who's he's reasonably similar to in skill level. I think the latter makes more sense. Did GSP evolve more since the first fight? Of course. All that really shows is Penn was on a higher level than GSP skill wise in the first fight, which I think was obvious considering how GSP won that fight (cardio and takedowns + size)...as opposed to the second fight where Takedowns and the fact that the skill gap was eclipsed...

Personally, I don't think Penn came ready to fight (his own damn fault) and GSP did...combine that with too highly skilled guys, one of which is 15lbs bigger at a low weight class, and a beating from hell is what you get.

[C Rad1321]

Originally Posted by CRuck1980

He's not arguing ability, he's arguing accomplishment and it's clear BJ has been getting tons of credit for what he could do and how he looks in fights instead of what he has done.

no he is arguing ability. he said he's not a top 5 LW and not in the top 10 p4p fighters, thats questioning his ability. don't stick up for his dumbass cuz you look like a total tool now.

[positivebalance]

Originally Posted by afm171

He shouldn't be that high...

Leave Nick Diaz out of this.

[Profane]

Originally Posted by Fisticuffa

TS you make good points, the following article may interest you:

MMA-ELO Blog Archive BJ Penn BTN

He makes some great points but at times he is clearly bashing Penn and telling only one side of the coin. Like citing BJ's LW record which was 9-1-1 and then citing another LW saying they have more activity which is stupid because you had to remove his other fights to prove that point. what he should have done was used his win loos percentage and his activity percentage along side his strength of schedule to try and determine what his win loss record would look like if he had fought his entire career at LW. his record then would look quite impressive.

[Tha_MMAn]

Yea but one of his losses was to Machida who is and was way bigger than BJ. It was one of Machida's toughest fights, and he is still undefeated and may become the LHW champ soon. This man is also on the p4p list.

GSP also won a close fight with BJ in their first match. The second match BJ was dominated, but GSP is argued to be p4p the best and is #2 p4p right now. Not to mention GSP is much bigger than BJ and WW is not his natural weight division. *BJ was not over 180lbs. like TS stated. I'd like to see a source on that because BJ weighted at 168 and was noticeably smaller in stature.

Hughes was lucky that BJ did not train properly for the fight because he had nothing for BJ and was getting dominated until BJ gassed. Again not BJ's natural weight division.

BJ's losses in the last 5 years have been to guys bigger than him and was not in his weight class. On top of that, those guys are considered to be some of the best MMA fighters ever. BJ has had consistent wins at LW since he drawed with Uno and lost to Pulver, which he avenged.

If BJ beats Kenny he should be back to #4, IMO.

TS is a dumbass.

[The Lewandowski]

Originally Posted by C Rad1321

Alright smarty pants who the fuck is better is than BJ an 155? Not a person in the world can fuck with BJ at LW. He lost to the #2 PfP and #1 WW and now he's not worth a shit. Gimme a break you people kill me. He was the underdog and was outweighed by 20 lbs. Yeah he got his ass kicked but he should have gotten his ass kicked. There is no way that you can argue BJ's fighting ability unless your just a troll, which you obviously are. He's goin to dismantle Kenny and any other guy they throw in the cage with him. Fuck you very much!

jesus Christ buddy we can still see who didn't get over Penn's ass whoopin. Then to not say there's not at least one person to beat bj penn at 155 is just plain retarded. He's fuckin human for christ sakes. Kenny, Eddie Alvarez, Mach even at 155 or 170, to just name a few.

[1whoknows***]

Originally Posted by danno

haha just like he didn't grease right.. canandians are blind watch the tape he taps quickly and repeatedly

Technically the fight was stopped based on lack of intelligent defense. From my point of view GSP was aware that he was unable to defend and was in the process of tapping as the fight was stopped by the referee.

Your request to have people you claim to be blind watch a tape makes me beleive that your your mouth engages before your brain.

[calmandeven***]

Originally Posted by positivebalance

it was meant to be sarcastic, but saying he didn't tap is a joke...

Not showing up to a title fight in shape or with a plan besides having heart is a joke