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Old 09-14-2007, 11:23 PM   #1 (permalink)

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"Bisping's blow-up bad for UFC" Controversy

Charges of fabrication made against Fox Sports
By Zach Arnold

Score one for the commenters of the Fight Opinion web site.

On Thursday morning, I linked to a Fox Sports article by Ben Cohen titled Bisping’s blow-up bad for UFC. The article made claims about Michael Bisping’s beligerent behavior at the UFC 75 post-fight press conference.

However, a funny thing happened. Both Hywel Teague (of Fighters Only Magazine) and James Denton (of Fighting Spirit Magazine) supposedly caught Cohen twisting some quotes and facts around the circumstances of the Bisping media session. Read the comments by Hywel and James here and here.

Denton flat out accused Cohen of fabricating some of the quotes attributed to Bisping in the Fox Sports article.

So how did Ben Cohen and Fox Sports react to the allegations levied against them? They updated their article at 6:26 PM PST on Thursday and changed the content in their article. This was simply not a case of making slight edits for grammar or punctuation — the article was actually changed and altered without any sort of correction notice listed in italics.

Cohen was responsible for the coverage (submitting articles) of the UFC 75 event on the Fox Sports web site.

Update: Here is the audio from the UFC 75 post-fight press conference from Oliver Copp.

http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/09/...st-fox-sports/
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:25 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Here's the Foxsports.com article:

Bisping's blow-up bad for UFC
Ben Cohen / FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 day ago

The UFC first came to the U.K. in 2002 to a fairly muted reception. Viewed as a fringe sport full of violent hooligans, the British shied away from the American creation and the press largely ignored its presence.

However, five years and 32 promotions later, the company came back to the U.K. to the northern city of Manchester for UFC 70. Having learned from its mistakes, the UFC attempted to win over much of the press and created a huge buzz among the public. There was a carefully orchestrated promotional campaign that included treating the British boxing press to a slap-up dinner at the upscale Strand Hotel in London, along with putting ads on every major TV station, newspaper and magazine for weeks on end.

One of the UFC's major marketing ploys was to also focus much of its promotion around light heavyweight Michael Bisping, the British winner of the reality series Ultimate Fighter 3.

Bisping, a likeable chap from the non-descript Lancashire town of Clitheroe, was an exciting fighter with a media-friendly persona. Cheeky, cheerful and full of confidence, Bisping create a huge following, bringing thousands of new fans to the sport.

At the packed M.E.N. Arena in Manchester, Bisping scored a TKO victory over Elvis Sinosic in an exciting, bloody fight, to the delight of his screaming fans. The British press flocked to Bisping after the fight, calling him one of Britain's most promising athletes. They also began to pay serious attention to the wildly popular sport, accepting that it could one day become a regular part of British sporting life.

Five months later, the UFC was back in London for more. UFC 75 featured some huge names in MMA, and had Bisping back to face rival Matt Hammill from Ultimate Fighter 3. Press conferences were packed with reporters from the BBC to the Lancashire Telegraph, and the event caused an unprecedented amount of attention in the British media.


The event was a successful one, with the biggest gate seen in London for any fight in 12 years. But Bisping did not fight well, with most ringside observers scoring the bout for his opponent. Although Bisping won a split decision, he appeared to be taken out of his game and repeatedly hit with effective shots.

He was stunned and taken down several times throughout the bout, and did not look particularly comfortable in front of an opponent he had guaranteed victory over. After the bout, Bisping told the press that he had "given him (Hammill) a boxing lesson."

From a technical point of view, it was anything but. Bisping repeatedly pulled back from punches (a cardinal sin in the sweet science), crossed his legs when moving laterally and failed to keep his hands up for much of the fight. If anyone was doing the boxing, it was Hammill. However, Bisping did have his moments, and showed tremendous heart, something he and his fans should be proud of.

Questionable decisions happen in combat sports, and the decision for Bisping was not terrible. Hammill graciously accepted his defeat and expressed respect for Bisping after the fight. The Brit, however, was not so polite.

Brashly entering the post-fight press conference, a bruised and bloody Bisping bantered loudly with friend and training partner Quinton Jackson. The first question put to the fighters was directed at him and the mood in the room quickly darkened.

"Do you really think you won Michael?"

From then on, it was a one-man tirade from the defensive Brit.

"Of course. Don't insult me like that. You wanna go three rounds? Cheeky (expletive). Of course I (expletive) won the decision. Get the (expletive) outta here."

Staring aggressively at the hapless journalist, Bisping continued.

"Get that smile of your face, too, while you insult me."

"I think you are the only one who seems to think so," came another remark from the press.

FOXSports.com then asked Bisping a seemingly benign question.

"Do you think the judges scored the fight on volume of punching over hurtfulness of punching?"

"I don't (expletive) know. I'm not a (expletive) judge. Are you?" Came the tart response. "Did you think I won the fight?"

FOXSports.com answered in the negative.

"How many fights have you (expletive) judged? Who the (expletive) are you anyway? What's your (expletive) MMA background?"

Explaining to Bisping that this journalist actually had fought in kickboxing did not seem to quell the storm.

"Yeah, well good for you. (Expletive) you. You're a kick boxer, so (expletive) what? (Expletive) off!"

There were reasons behind Bisping's unusually aggressive behavior.

"Nobody knows what happened before the press conference," Bisping said on his Web site days after the event. "Just before I walked in, I got a phone call saying that my dad had been attacked in the car park by several people.

"A security guard came down on a moped and I jumped on the back of the moped and we were flying around looking for him and we hit a road block.

"It wasn't the right thing to say, but there was things that went on beforehand," he said. "The guys that asked the questions, I apologize to them, but I had just been in a spin for the last 10 minutes."

Apology accepted.

But there is a more serious issue at hand here. The UFC is struggling to create and maintain a respectable image in the U.K., and behavior like that from one of its biggest stars is totally unacceptable. Bisping is a professional fighter, and aggressive behavior toward normal people can be extremely intimidating and frightening. Several journalists at the post-fight press conference quickly exited afterward, feeling understandably threatened by his confrontational outburst.

Athletes of the UFC need to maintain impeccable behavior if they want to be treated like true stars. It is still a young sport with a great deal of growing to do, and it can ill afford to lose the enormous gains it has made in recent years. Bisping is a good fighter with a great deal of marketability, but the notoriously savage press in the U.K. won't stand for any hostility on his behalf. And it certainly won't be looking to give the benefit of the doubt to an athlete in a sport it still does not really understand.

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/stor...813162&ATT=209
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:26 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Here are the message board comments on foxsports.com that led to the story correction:

It should be pointed out that there is outright fabrication in Ben Cohen's "reporting" of the "facts" here. I've just been listening to my audio recording of the press conference, and some of the things that Cohen is claiming Bisping to have said SIMPLY DID NOT HAPPEN - they are complete fallacy. If you want to take Bisping to task for the way he spoke to the press, you've got more than enough ammunition to do so - there's no need to fabricate and attribute made-up quotes to him.

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"Of course I (BLEEP ) won. What the (BLEEP ) do you know you fat (BLEEP ) (BLEEP )?"

What Bisping ACTUALLY said was:

"Of course. Don't insult me like that." "Seriously?" replied Oliver. "What do you mean, 'seriously'? You wanna go three rounds? Cheeky BLEEP . Of course I BLEEP ing won the decision. Get the BLEEP outta here."

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"Staring aggressively at the hapless journalist, Bisping continued. 'You can wipe that cheeky smile of you fat (BLEEP ) face as well.'"

What Bisping ACTUALLY said was:

"Get that smile of your face too, while you insult me."

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"Well you are the only one who seems to think so," came another remark from the press.

Just being picky, but the ACTUAL remark from Wolfgang was:

"I think you are the only one who think so." (Just to illustrate that the Fox guy is fabricating the press' statements, not just the fighters'.)

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"You can (BLEEP ) off, too. Who the (BLEEP ) are you? Let's see how many rounds you can go in the octagon you fat piece of (BLEEP )."

Not only is this misquotation, this is SHEER FALLACY, as Mike said no such thing. In fact, he didn't say ANYTHING, as Marshall Zelaznik interjected, saying: "I don't think that's right - there was a professional judge, two of them, that felt that way." It was then Rampage who stepped in and made a comment (which I can't make out on my recording) about Oliver and Wolfgang. Mike said NOTHING, and at no time did he make ANY comment about the men's weight.

Just thought it was important to set that straight, as there is arguably even more wrong with Ben Cohen posting falsehoods than there is in a fighter speaking out of turn at a press conference. There's no need for a "reporter" to lie.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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404 on the link.

What exactly was changed????

EDIT: sorry, posted this before I saw you posted a third one explaining the changes
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:32 PM   #5 (permalink)

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Well we will never know until they let us see the post fight interview. I still don't kno why they aren't realesing it.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:34 PM   #6 (permalink)

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Well we will never know until they let us see the post fight interview. I still don't kno why they aren't realesing it.

How about the audio?


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Old 09-14-2007, 11:42 PM   #7 (permalink)

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